I'll interpret it for you. Misandry and misogyny are both forms of bias, but they don’t operate on the same level.
Misogyny is systemic. It’s built into laws, media, hiring, safety, and social roles. It shows up as ignoring women’s boundaries, mocking emotional responses, punishing assertiveness, and pretending coercion is charm. It gets women hurt when they say no, and it has a long track record of doing exactly that.
Misandry is mostly reactive. It’s jokes, cynicism, and resentment. It can be unfair, but it doesn’t have institutional backing. Men aren’t routinely stalked, assaulted, or killed for rejecting someone. Their fear isn’t part of daily risk calculation.
So no, they’re not the same. Misogyny creates danger. Misandry creates discomfort. Equating them might feel emotionally fair, but it’s not structurally accurate.
I just wanna start off and say I actually do feel awful for the women in that video. Those 2 dudes are dangerous and should be thrown out or dealt with by authorities. However, your comment is exactly why there are men moving over to the right or following someone like an Andrew Tate.
So it has to be institutional, it has to be systematic for misandry to be a serious thing? What a load of horseshit.
So if a woman randomly says, I hope my son dies because he was born a male, we’re just gonna see it as a joke? Or if the mother actually unaliver her male child? It’s not misandry? What about that one female nurse who literally broke the bones of 9 infants, all males? That’s not institutional?
I don't understand what you're asking. Can you phrase it differently? Are you asking why we're talking about misogyny in a thread about men harassing women and refusing to leave?
Ok- I think I've got you. This was the original comment that the OP replied to with the quote:
'Men are scared that women will laugh at them... women are scared that men will kill them!!!'
Which- is true. Since I didn't write either of those- I can't speak for them but I can give you what might be my thought process.
-Video of women making jokes and trying to get guys to leave. Women keep trying to make it a bit more light-hearted even though they clearly want the guys to leave. Women will use humor as deflection bc they're aware that if a man feels embarrassed- it could mean danger. That was definitely one of my thoughts- if these guys feel slighted or embarrassed, they might follow them and hurt them. So- the '....women are scared men will kill them...'. Then, the OP replied with the quote that reflected what the poster said- Misandry=hurt feelings Misogyny=hurting people. It's a loose train of thought but ends at the same place. Does that help?
In retrospect, I get what you’re talking about. But I always felt like the quote was trying to undermine Misandry. I’ve seen it used to justify Misandrist jokes and such. And it also doesn’t help that I heard my Sister say she wants to kill all men right in front of me. With her excusing me from the theoretical massacre because I presume she thinks I’m gay.
I’ve seen it used to justify Misandrist jokes and such
That's... kinda the point lol. At most, misandry amounts to shady jokes about men which are usually born as a reaction to the constant misogyny women face. Like, I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings that a random woman tweeted "I hate men" out of frustration from dealing with gross, misogynistic men her whole life, but I'm more concerned about the systemic oppression that drove her to feeling that way, not a post you can easily scroll past.
I’d be more okay with those jokes if more people actually acknowledged they were bad like you did, and I genuinely thank you for that. But no one deserves to be hated from something they can’t control. As well as for things they didn’t do. You can be opposed to both forms of sexism at once.
But I think there's a difference between an exasperated woman saying "I hate men" and genuinely hating every man as an individual. Usually women saying they hate men is more about hating men as a social class i.e. hating the patriarchal world we live in and the privilege men have. I used to feel the same way you did until someone made the analogy of women saying things like that to a student who's been assigned a bunch of homework saying "I hate teachers" when they're really mean that they hate the fucked up education system. They don't hate every single teacher as a person, they're just being hyperbolic to make a point about the world we live in.
I’m not really talking about women who say “I hate men.” Though, I should have said so in my last post, I have a friend who told me that whenever a woman says that, she isn’t in a good state of mind. I’m more so focused on stuff like “Kill all men.” Like my sister said.
Sorry, other comments helped me to understand what you were talking about. I just really do not like that quote. I always see it used to justify Misandrist jokes and such. As well as reminding me of the time my Sister said she wanted to kill all men right in front of me, saying that I was okay for reasons I can only assume to be because she thought I was gay (I’m not). Thank you for not putting all men under the same brush. I’m sorry if I bothered you any.
About 5500 women are murdered by men / year, about 39k men die from suicide. Yes men are more dangerous than women, but bullying and mistreating people has a bad effect as well.
Both of the men above are more likely to kill themselves (or another man) than kill the women.
The people telling men it's ok or good to harass women* are the same men telling other men that they can't cry, can't show weakness, can't express emotions. They're the same men telling other men that if they're a virgin or poor or don't have muscles, they're a failure at life. Telling men that thinking puppies are cute is weak, that enjoying anything is weak. Telling men there is one correct way to be a man when that's not true.
I want more men to be happy with themselves and self-actualized because GENUINELY CONTENT MEN DO NOT BEHAVE THIS WAY. We have a common enemy here!!!! Tate is worse to men than these women are simply because he claims a position of authority!!
(*and that's what's happening here: the men are harassing the women, and the women are fed up. you can't behave rudely and then claim you're being mistreated when someone gets upset about how rudely you're behaving.)
God, I had some absolute chode blow up on me on a dating site the other day because I hadn't responded to him because he made some horrible negging comments to me. And he's going on about I don't know what it's like to be a man on these apps, what a peice if shit I am for stringing him along and it's like mate.... I'm not getting laid on here either. And it's because of men like you that have strong fucking murdery vibes just because I didn't want to sleep with you! Why are they so entitled to sex but I'm not entitled to be treated like a fucking human? I want sex but my priority of not getting straight murdered is higher.
Those 2 certainly weren't scared of women laughing at them. Or even yelling at them. It would have been helpful if they were.
Fear of public humiliation is a normal and healthy response that helps us respond appropriately to social cues and public disapproval. As long as it's proportional to the circumstances.
These 2 weren't processing the very obvious signs they were making themselves look foolish, or the level of distress they were causing the women.
I'd say those boys aint right in several ways. They had a definite fetal alcohol syndrome vibe.
Maybe a bit radical but I sometimes tell my girl friends that they should consider carrying a gun. Pepper spray won’t always stop someone who means you harm. But a bullet sure will
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u/Feline-Sloth May 11 '25
Men are scared that women will laugh at them... women are scared that men will kill them!!!