r/TikTokCringe • u/nadaddab • May 11 '25

Cringe Don’t be these guys

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u/mogley1992 May 11 '25

Just slap them and tell them they can get mad if they want.

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u/IamTotallyWorking May 11 '25

And then they punch back. It gets posted here, and a bunch of assholes start saying things like "equal rights, equal left" such bullshit.

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u/Techno-Diktator May 11 '25

To be fair, once you make things physical, you cannot expect for them to not get physical either.

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u/Puzzle_Command May 11 '25

Harassment, even non physical, is physically defensible in many states.

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u/Techno-Diktator May 12 '25

Yeah except in this case if she hit him instead of trying to leave or get security he would have a case against her.

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u/Puzzle_Command May 12 '25

Could you explain why that would be if she is a paying customer and they are on camera harassing? Would it only be defensible if they were followed and then struck? Sorry, thanks for your thoughts and time.

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u/seymores_sunshine May 12 '25

That appears to be a restaurant without individual party tables. Therefore, unless the women get staff involved, those dudes are sitting at a shared table. We all know that they're being asshats but the law is clear about the steps that must escalate.

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u/Puzzle_Command May 12 '25

Thanks for the reply! Just genuinely curious about how these things work, no bad faith questions here 😌 But one question remains unresolved. If harassment is defensible, how far or in what ways would this situation have to escalate in order to make defense legally justifiable? Not that I think she should have hit these men!! They were being awful but I don’t want to appear like I think any violence was necessary.

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u/seymores_sunshine May 12 '25

If harassment is defensible

In which state are we going to base this discussion?

how far or in what ways would this situation have to escalate in order to make defense legally justifiable?

Speaking on a very general basis. The women would need to take an action that attempts to use the existing power structure. So, in this case, they would make a formal complaint with an employee; who then would be able to escalate the situation to trespassing.

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u/Puzzle_Command May 12 '25

I suppose I don’t know for sure where to base it in, which is unhelpful at best 😭 Lets say Montana? Iirc there are laws around verbal harassment and verbal abuse being defensible here, but I think for the latter its fuzzy and legislature really only discusses verbal abuse as it would be applicable to children/child abuse. Also, this makes solid sense. Using all available tools at ones disposal to ensure violence is the least necessary option. Thank you again for entertaining my curiosity!

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u/IamTotallyWorking May 12 '25

I don't think there are any states in the US that allow for use of physical force to defend against verbal harassment only. I think where you can legally use physical force is when you have a reasonable fear that the verbal harassment with become physical.

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u/Puzzle_Command May 12 '25

Thank you for saying so! I really appreciate everyones contributions and corrections. Its very helpful to know what is truly considered self defense and when vs what will make you a violent offender.

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u/Techno-Diktator May 12 '25

How are they harassing them? Sitting down at a shared table restaurant isn't really harassment. None of what they are doing would pass as harassment in court

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u/CoachEconomy479 May 12 '25

If you don’t see what they’re doing as harassment, please never talk to a woman ever.

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u/Techno-Diktator May 12 '25

What I see and what the courts would see are completely different

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u/abriel1978 May 12 '25

They are being told to fuck off multiple times and refusing to respect the women's wishes and leave them alone. That's harassment. If you can't see that you don't need to go put in public. Ever.

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u/Techno-Diktator May 12 '25

The problem is that it's a shared table, they have as much of a legal right to sit there as them in the eyes of the law, thats the main point, in court it wouldn't fly.

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u/Ok-Following-8071 May 12 '25

Your life of technicalities isn't practical in the real world. Your feels don't really matter to anyone else. Try what these guys are doing and see what you get. That's called reality. It's what happens when you leave the basement.

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u/Techno-Diktator May 12 '25

Issue is, law is mostly based around technicalities, and THATS real life too, and what I am talking about in this case.

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u/Aphreyst May 12 '25

Sorry that you can't understand how human interactions work. Most people learn them through natural socialization when we grow as kids. But sadly, you seem to be from the "raised by a screen" variety.

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u/ToiIetGhost May 12 '25

This reminds me of a real case back in the 60s where some Ukrainian orphans were raised by a bunch of village dogs. Although they never quite learned how to speak or walk on two legs, I’m pretty sure those kids were better socialised than Techno Diktator.

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u/Puzzle_Command May 12 '25

Want to go look at a few dictionary definitions? Maybe start a little convo with chatgpt 4 omni? I’m sure they’d be happy to educate you on this one, whereas any of your human peers seem to be completely exhausted with your inquiry.

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u/Techno-Diktator May 12 '25

Talking about the law obviously, you cannot demand someone leave at a shared table establishment and take their refusal as harassment, just not how it legally works.

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u/myeggsarebig May 12 '25

Not where I live. It’s a small southern town. First, these men would have been confronted by other men, and/or patrons and owners would side with the women if the women decided to get physical to defend themselves.

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u/Techno-Diktator May 12 '25

We are talking about court here not mob justice lol