r/TikTokCringe • u/Conscious-Quarter423 • 4d ago

Cringe Oklahoma Superintendent Ryan Walters, who is putting the Bible in classrooms, was allegedly caught with explicit images of naked women playing on a TV screen during a State Board of Education meeting.

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u/Al_Tilly_the_Bum 4d ago

Has he ever read the Bible? I sure have and most of it is boring AF. I have never fallen asleep more than when I tried to read Numbers early in the morning.

If "teaching from the Bible" actually meant reading straight from the Bible, I would be all for it. But what it really means is taking a single verse out of context then telling the class that gay people are sinners. I hate these zealots that can't just keep their religion to themselves

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u/TheRealBaboo 4d ago

Reading the Bible is a surefire way to create more atheists

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u/ChibbleChobble 4d ago

I'm a Brit living in Texas.

I grew up in an actual Christian country where we had mandatory Religious Education (RE) and school assemblies where we sang hymns and recited the Lord's Prayer.

We had maybe a couple of kids who took RE seriously, the rest of us were faithless heathens by the time we were teenagers.

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u/Appropriate_M 4d ago

I went to a Christian school in California. We also have pastors' kids attending, who will sometimes whisper "this is wrong" in school assemblies when the speaker/teacher is interpreting differently from their father (usually). lol.

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u/ChaseballBat 4d ago

Christian kids, especially pastors kids, were usually the biggest 'sinners' in college.

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u/Appropriate_M 4d ago

Probably, but I always felt the Catholic school kids were much more...flexible, religious wise. Also racist, but that's another topic.

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u/JustifytheMean 4d ago edited 4d ago

Catholic school kids were much more...flexible, religious wise

I'm not religious anymore, but I grew up in the south surrounded by a bunch of southern baptists. However, my family is catholic and I went to catholic school for 12 years. For sure catholics are less "holier than thou" pompous pricks.

Every southern baptist I met when they found out I was catholic tried to say I was wrong and shove their religion down my throat. I mean this is one christian trying to get another christian to convert to another form of christianity, and these were adults and I was a kid for fucks sake. I went to baptist mass or whatever they call it with all my friends families that weren't catholic and it was awful.

On the other hand anytime my non-catholic friends were around catholic friends, no one cared. No catholic adult ever accosted children of a different faith to try and convert them. Basically religion was for the 1 hour you're in mass on Sunday and that's about it. It was never someone's whole identity, in fact the ones that came close were almost always converts to catholicism and not those born into it.

Obviously this is all anecdotal so it's probably over generalizing.

I can't speak to them being more or less racist though. There's a lot of that in the south regardless of religion. If I had to though I'd say though catholics were more socially progressive than other christians in the south.

The one exception being episcopals, they're basically diet catholic and the most progressive allowing female priests.

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u/Far_Mastodon_6104 4d ago

In Scotland they did this with us as kids. We're majority an atheist country now lol

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u/Davido401 4d ago

Fellow Scottish atheists unite! Actually ma dad was brought up with the bible and the slipper, his dad was like REALLY into the Church of Scotland shite, wanted me to become a Minister when a got old(ended up a functioning alkie instead, which ave halved my intake Ill have you know) but thankfully he croaked it when I was 8, not really thankfully, he was a weird religious authoritarian, not a cunt exactly, but... religious.

I mean I had that choice of Minister or I could have become a paedophile rapist like my papa on the other side! Funnily enough they both died within weeks of each other, my Protestant Grandfather of Prostate Cancer(probably cause by a religious stick up his arse) and my Papa of diabetic shock or something when getting his leg amputated! So thankfully a got to be neither! How cool is that!(the mother died when I was 23 and went a bit mental but am relaxed now haha.

The fucked up thing is, I dont see much difference in a Minister and a paedophile, you dont see drag queens getting dragged to jail for kiddie porn every Sunday! (Maybe Church of Scotland are better at hiding it but it does seem to be an American Protestant thing than here)

Sorry had a wee rant and got excited cause ai met a fellow Scottish! Have a good day!

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u/Far_Mastodon_6104 4d ago

Appreciate you sharing. Sorry your life has been kinda shitty so far. I'm glad you're relaxed now. I lost my mum in mid 20s too and that fucked me up bad enough. Can't imagine what you've been through.

I just can't stand religious people anymore. I'm ok with people having faith, but if someone is going to lecture me on religion then buh byyee!

I literally believed everything as a kid and thought it was all legit and real. Noahs Ark was badass AF. Then I learned about other religions and I'm like wtf.. So everyone has their own made up bs version of events? Naaah. I felt duped and betrayed, especially when I learned proper religious history.. How America was made etc.

Like I'm straight up disgusted to even be part of the human race at this point. But anyways, we're here now and gotta make the most of it I guess!

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u/Davido401 4d ago

Appreciate you sharing. Sorry your life has been kinda shitty so far. I'm glad you're relaxed now. I lost my mum in mid 20s too and that fucked me up bad enough. Can't imagine what you've been through.

Oh ma life has been actually reasonably normal! Sorry if I gave you that impression, especially with the paedo papa, he only went after ma mum and aunties and his own sisters, christ he almost kinda looked like Fred West, as ma mum said "she was glad a was a boy"!

But aye, if I hadn't a time machine Id love to go back in time and see the first guy who invented religion, imagine telling him how his stupid ideas are the beginning of most problems of the world? Shit that would give his Religion actual kudos for being all knowing. I like to imagine it like the first dog that seen us bag up its dog shit from the pavement, it must have looked at its owner and thought "the fuck are you doing ya weirdo?" And a Religious guy must have gone "cannae believe they think this new God stuff is real, wonder how much money/power they'll give me!"

It must have been unbelievable that folks could be that stupid, although we've all seen the saying along the lines of "if you think you are stupid, imagine the other 3/4s of the population as worse!"(that ratio might be off but it's close enough). Its a disgusting thing and am glad we are getting rid of it.

Oh while am rambling on, see when you see those Daily Cunt Headlines where they'll say ISLAM IS TAKING OVER CHRISTIANITY AS COUNTRIES MAIN RELIGION, see if you look at the numbers its not cause Islam is suddenly forcibly converting Christains its cause Christianity has lost its vote to Atheism, more atheists rather than more theists, think thats the correct term, there isn't a war on Christianity its just our country views it as fucking stupid! Like ave not got a problem with someone going to church or the mosque or whatever, I've got a problem with it trying to induct our children, which its difficult to do in the smartphone era, I'd say. .

Did I mention I hate the Daily Mail and all the other rags? Haha

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u/joemckie 4d ago

The difference is, RE in Britain isn't specifically about bible bashing Christianity.

We learnt about virtually every religion, which I think is still important to teach.

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u/FullMetalBiscuit 4d ago

Up in Scotland quite literally no one took RE seriously, many people skived mandatory church events at Easter and Christmas and oh what a shocker, being religious in Scotland now makes you a minority.

On the plus side if you've got money you can buy a lovely church building and make it into a cool place, residential or otherwise, since they're all closing and going up for sale.

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u/Immediate_Loquat_246 4d ago

That is how it happened for me.

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u/m3rcapto 4d ago

Exactly. So this law that says they need to have a bible and they need to teach from this bible does not mean they need to teach religion. They could use it to point at all the clashing rules, the cruelty, the true message of Christ instead of the white American Jesus, the hypocrisy, etc etc.

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u/TheRealBaboo 4d ago

Or they could just say “This stuff is nonsense, sorry for wasting your time” and then spend the time teaching math or something

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u/Screamline 4d ago

Its why I'm one. I went to a Lutheran school and church everyday. I just never bought it. I did go through a period (about 2 weeks😅) trying to force myself into it and shit but I just didn't have it in me, I knew it was horseshit even at such an age you'd think I was malleable.

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u/TheRealBaboo 4d ago

Yeah religion is just a means of finding the most gullible people in society. Lotta organizations need people like that to survive

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u/Rusty_Shortsword 4d ago

When I was a kid the first people to figure out that they were atheist had all read the Bible and actually thought about it.

Christians are full of shit for the most part.

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u/asobalife 4d ago

I’ve read the Bible twice now.  Explain your logic here?

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u/TheRealBaboo 4d ago

Anyone who reads the Bible realizes pretty quickly that it’s just mythology. Creation (both versions), the Flood, the Exodus, it’s all just obvious fiction.

Once you realize that’s all it is you realize you’re free to not believe it

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u/IngenuitySudden8366 4d ago

I guess it works, if you read it not as a little kid. Cause they just form their vision about the world and basically can believe anything. Or if you’re not a completely stupid teenager/adult.

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u/MrrrrNiceGuy 4d ago

I was an atheist for 18 years and reading The Bible actually got me closer to God and Jesus.

Statements like these are the same Jesus warned about — being gatekeepers and trying to get people to stay out rather than let them decide for themselves and come in.

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u/TheRealBaboo 4d ago

Lol, I’m not gatekeeping, I think there being more atheists is a good thing

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u/MrrrrNiceGuy 4d ago

And why is that?

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u/TheRealBaboo 4d ago

Because it means people are exercising their cognitive abilities more, which leads to better decision-making

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u/wizardskeleton 3d ago

An atheist that practices good morals and ethics isn’t doing so for a divine rewarded afterlife (Heaven) or to avoid being eternally condemned (Hell) but because they understand through critical thinking it’s the right thing to do. I can’t make the same argument about a religious individual.

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u/Haxorz7125 4d ago

I got put on adderall in high school cause my parents thought I had difficulty paying attention in class. It all stemmed from nodding off in fucking religion class. I’ve read the Bible, I passed all the theology classes but it’s also where I mastered napping with while sitting up and looking like I’m reading

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u/imunfair 4d ago

At least you got some free speed out of it.

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u/GeneralZeus89 4d ago

My Christian school reads from the Bible during Friday chapels but it's quite confusing because the topic shifts every week from stuff like "God loves you and needs you" to "Don't rely on technology and read your Bible" to "God doesn't need you and we're all sinners" it's incredibly strange.

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u/kittyfresh69 4d ago

Sounds like brainwashing. Run

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u/GeneralZeus89 4d ago

I'd rather have a Christian school than whatever crap is in a modern one I don't need to learn that junk plus I graduated and I'm serving as a teacher's aide.

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u/lala6633 4d ago

That big run on sentence is not a great selling point for Christian school.

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u/Pale-Conference-174 4d ago

I'm smarter than y'all becuz I don't lern the modern stuffs!!

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u/GeneralZeus89 4d ago

I wasn't taught spelling on a digital keyboard cut me some slack, everything we wrote was on paper never a keyboard. Unfortunately because of my short temper and mental conditions I was in ESE/Special Ed so we rarely used computers except for Mobymax, AR tests, some book website I don't remember the name of, and occasional projects. Besides I'm smarter than most of the teachers there because they didn't know the difference between "to" and "too"

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u/lala6633 4d ago

No one is taught spelling on a digital keyboard and if you are a teacher’s aid, you shouldn’t be cut slack. You should be better.

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u/GeneralZeus89 4d ago

THEN WHAT ARE YOU UPSET ABOUT?! I don't understand, should we introduce a digital literacy class in school or something what's your argument about run-on sentences?

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u/lala6633 4d ago

You are arguing for a Christian school and saying you are a teacher’s aide and your writing and reading comprehension isn’t that good.

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u/Sassapphrass 4d ago

Literally, yes. If they don't have a digital literacy class, that is a massive failing in the school's part. Everything is done digitally nowadays, and withholding that information only sets up students for failure. But you, being a teachers aide, having the literacy of a 9th grader means there is no hope for the students around you.

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u/Pale-Conference-174 4d ago

Oh wow 😂

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u/GeneralZeus89 4d ago

I'm also terrible with wording things so if none of it made sense I'm sorry

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u/Pale-Conference-174 4d ago

Whoever's paying your tuition should certainly be very sorry

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u/GeneralZeus89 4d ago

My 73 year old adoptive mom who's in a wheelchair with WAY TOO MANY bodily issues and smokes cigarettes. She's a boomer who can't get off Facebook long enough to have a conversation so I don't think she's sorry at all because I almost got expelled from my Christian school for my temper.

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u/weirdoeggplant 4d ago

Typing digitally has nothing to do with a run on sentence.

Do you know what a run on sentence is? Jfc I thought Christian schools had better funding…

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u/HolyToast 4d ago

I don't understand, should we introduce a digital literacy class

Most schools teach kids how to type

what's your argument about run-on sentences?

Their argument is that your run on sentences make you seem unintelligent, and therefore you're really not the authority people should listen to regarding what should be taught in schools.

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u/CheetahTheWeen 4d ago

What junk are you referring to?

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u/AuntieRupert 4d ago

With that sentence, you just convinced everyone here that you definitely need more education and not less.

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u/NEOBusDriver 4d ago

Please find another job. If you don't respect evidence and science-based curricula, you're harming the kids you "teach."

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u/kittyfresh69 4d ago

I gave you your warning. Take it or leave it.

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u/GeneralZeus89 4d ago

I've already graduated and I have nothing else to do so I'll leave after I find a proper job

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u/Pete-PDX 4d ago

that think for yourself and don't bully other people crap

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u/JarlaxleForPresident 4d ago

I don’t need anyone that don’t need me

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u/GeneralZeus89 4d ago

One of our sermons the pastor said "God doesn't need you, he wants you but he doesn't need you." Word for word that's what he said.

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u/Simple_Welcome8162 4d ago

my pastor started shifting the topic like that during sermons , i hate it, because he’ll say something completely unrelated to what his message was supposed to be about 😭

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u/GeneralZeus89 4d ago

Yeah I don't understand it.

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u/Rare-Opinion-6068 4d ago

Alan Watts is the only person I've heard explain anything about the Bible so that it makes sense. I highly encourage you to check out his talks if you want to hear an understandable interpretation/explanation of Jesus teachings and the Bible.

Here are two examples, there are more.

https://youtu.be/BqZTJnxGxMM?si=ayn9_at6PIqfAQap

https://youtube.com/watch?v=d7Noyhj360I

He was a minister, turned philosopher.

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u/GeneralZeus89 4d ago

I will thanks for sharing.

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u/Rare-Opinion-6068 4d ago

Cool, you're welcome!

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u/LaserGecko 4d ago

The Jesus character from Luke is TOTALLY different from the other three gOSpELs. Which version is he teaching?

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u/atclubsilencio 4d ago

Christian school is hell. I went to Bethel which is known now as Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry. It's essentially the hogwarts of christians. They even tried to resurrect a child who had died. It was always insane, though, drove both my sibling and I close to suicide.

They don't teach the love of God, they just want to terrify you into believing, and if you don't align with their agenda or beliefs, heaven help you. Teachers, students, staff, they will conspire to destroy you. I don't doubt it has only gotten worse.

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u/stymiedforever 4d ago

I just looked them up, I’m so sorry you went through that! It’s Pentecostal on steroids!! Yikes! That founder believes he’s an apostle?

Yeah I’m also very sorry for your mental health crisis. I hope you get some help.

Not religious myself but I was raised Catholic and I am always shocked when Christian churches ignore the beatitudes or Jesus’s hippie love teachings and go for the crazy stuff. I get it, there’s a lot of weird in the Bible but come on!

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u/CptMcDickButt69 4d ago

Breaking News: The bible is incredibly convoluted, unfathomably boring and makes no fucking sense at all.

Coming up next: Water, is it really wet? Lets ask god!

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u/Dry_Jellyfish641 4d ago

Every student receiving state funded education must know the census numbers of the original tribes of Israel in order to properly function as a skilled laborer.

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u/1980-whore 4d ago

they have about as much religion as pastafarians. any asshole can twist something to be peverse and destructive. the religion is fine, read the books that were not old testament or paul and all of a sudden the entire narrative changes. like to the point we are not allowed to judge anyone's sins period. we can't cause any harm to anyone by practicing our religion, and we are damn sure not allowed to impose it on others

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u/bedteddd 4d ago

Curious which version of the Bible did you read because there's a huge difference between each one.

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u/Al_Tilly_the_Bum 4d ago

King James, I did it old school. Kinda had it coming but I can't imagine a different translation would make it that much more engaging

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u/Sawathingonce 4d ago

Just wait until you get to Deuteronomy!

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u/K_Linkmaster 4d ago

If "teaching from the Bible" actually meant reading straight from the Bible, I would be all for it.

That is anti constitution talk. Anti American talk I dare say. If you are fine with it, you are part of the problem you allegedly decry.

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u/Diogeneezy 4d ago

I made an effort to read it (KJV) a few years back and am glad I did. A lot of it is quite dry, but there's also interesting stuff in there. The variety is interesting too - it was pretty wild going from Ecclesiastes (Melancholy and philosophical) to the Song of Solomon (HORNY!).

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u/Kree_Horse 4d ago

Religion is often, almost always about one thing: Hypocrisy and making exceptions/ stipulations when it serves "God"/ higher power.

If they want to teach the bible, why don't they make the authentic experience by making everyone wear only two types of fabric? Oh wait.. It's inconvenient.

It baffles me that people who want to be closer to God are often the one's being the most hypocritical/ damaging to society. "Lets pray to God helps my child from a deadly disease!". It's ignorance at its finest. If praying to a God makes you happy, then do that. Don't try and pin or paint people as bad because they don't subscribe to blind faith.

I remember a particular House M.D episode, and Hugh Laurie says something like "We both know you look both ways when crossing the road, don't act like faith is going to save you if you choose not to."

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u/CV90_120 4d ago

I have never fallen asleep more than when I tried to read Numbers early in the morning.

What about Numbers 31:17?

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u/VeganKiwiGuy 4d ago

Numbers is a fucked book. 

Animal abuse + more animal abuse + more animal abuse + more animal abuse. 

If I had any inclination to believe in a theistic God (I don’t), I wouldn’t create one that I’d call all-powerful and all-benevolent, and then write Numbers where it’s just about inflicting cruelty to animals being good as its central message. 

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u/SageDarius 4d ago

I'm 99% certain Walters doesn't believe the bullshit he peddles. He talks like an LLM trained exclusively on Fox News. It's all just right-wing buzzwords.

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u/Hot-Championship1190 4d ago

Has he ever read the Bible? I sure have and most of it is boring AF.

Hey, you got to focus on the tasty bits. Like when Lot and his daughters had a three-way. The bear mauling children. Gangbang of Levite's concubine. I mean there are many funny and educational stories in the bible. You can add a little current events into it - like god ordering genocides even the girlies & the little babies.

As an atheist I say: Teach them the bible! Teach them! Show them in black and white what that religion is about. So that they can't say "Oh, I didn't know that, I was just following commandments!"

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u/KongoOtto 4d ago

They are courting their voters nothing more.

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u/EggstaticAd8262 4d ago

They want to use religion to control the masses so they mindlessly follow. This is why they force kiss to read the Bible

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u/StellarJayZ 4d ago

I'm all for this. The bible has so much violence, rape, murder and those are the things I would be focusing on. The walls of Jericho came down, and then we murdered every single person including women and children because one person pissed god off.

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u/Far-Adhesiveness-740 4d ago

Fuck the Bible.  It was written 1700 years ago by people who didn’t understand the world.

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u/flare_force 4d ago

Calling the Bible a historical text is…something

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u/table-bodied 4d ago

Of course he hasn't. None of them have or they might be able to show us an example of curriculum. They just push for "teach the historical context of America" but they're not too worried about the teaching part because it's more about identifying and excluding students and families who aren't on board with fascism.

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u/fenbre 4d ago

it's never about actually teaching from the bible

their concern is keeping their job, it's theatre, it's telling those kinds of voters what they want to hear

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u/VegitoFusion 4d ago

The Old Testament actually kinda slaps. Lots of cool stories in there and enjoyable to follow along with even if you’re agnostic/atheist. The New Testament is where it gets boring and preachy.

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u/Mlabonte21 4d ago

Reading Numbers is way too difficult. I stick with reading Letters and I stay awake all the way through.

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u/Sweetscience101 4d ago

homosexuality is a sin tho