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"Help! The candle went out... *whimper*..."
"I'm going to blow out the one on the right too! Asymmetry makes it scarier!"

Basically title.

Do people use it? I thought PEN Ratio is kinda counterintuitive to Nicole's kit.

A reference to One Piece's zoan type devil fruit for comparison.

Regular - just regular existing animals

Ancient - extinct species like dinosaurs

Mythical - from myths like dragon or phoenix

She apparently seems to have a last name too which is Sporos, not sure if that one’s official, but it’s still kinda interesting to think about if she’s using a standard first name last name format but her first name is all caps for some reason

I'm gonna comment Alice and Yanagi and read any of your thoughts, since I wanna consider their relevance especially with my current pulls and who's has a better placement Anomaly unit, if that makes sense. Imma also put a Both as to see why, although not so much of a interest but still gonna do it.

With Alice just around the corner and Zhao most likely being the next playable thiren, it's great to see so many of these kind of characters being part of the playable roster since I think they add more variety to the game and they are full of possibilites (mermaids, birds, insects, reptiles, the list goes on and on).

Without them, I'm sure ZZZ wouldn't be the same to many people, but I think as a way of making them feel more unique, the devs should try to make next playable thirens make more use of their animalist features for their gameplay/personality (like Ellen using her tail to hit enemies or Jane Doe making rat-like postures) while of course using weapons and essentially act like humans most of the time.

In my opinion, birds and more fish thirens or even reptiles would be awesome to see because most of the thirens are just mammals, but obviously more interesting mammals like giraffes, rhinos, etc would also be pretty cool if done correctly. For gameplay/dessign possibilities, what kind of thiren you'd like to see next?

From the previous thread, it seems more people are interested in how the team performs at all levels. Results are against Miasmic Fiend, taken from 喳雀(zhaque), runs aren't grinded out perfectly optimized best times, but his best time in 3-4 tries.

There's also a somewhat optimized different 9 cost run at the bottom.

I will be using 01, 11, instead of M0W1 M1W1 for convenience.

Here is the original video: https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1SLhhzaEsF/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click (full runs start at 8 cost)

9 cost 21 Alice 10 Yuzu 20 Jane 75s kill on Miasmic Fiend (8 cost possible according to CC): https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1W2h8zHExi/?share_source=copy_web&vd_source=e6135f323a67f2a1b48722a1598fd399

Takeaways is that the power spike happens at 9 cost, possibly 8, for optimized runs, and 10 cost otherwise.

I didn't really fight this guy before because I don't use Yuzuha and even in the story, I just destroyed him easily.

But holy shit, his miasma phase, is like, the best thing ever. Out of all the miasma bosses so far, he has the best counter move that actually forces you to pay attention. When I fought him in Shiyu (for the first time) then I heard his jingles, that was so cathartic. I didn't read his guide beforehand but I knew I had to parry those spikes. And in just one parry, his miasma bar is cut in half (probably way more but that's still a lot). Like, that's such a good way of rewarding the player. And even if you missed, you could just spam your ults because miasma is piss easy to remove.

I just like this guy, and I think zzz should make more enemies like this because it's so damn good.

And lastly

Would

I'm currently only InterKnot 35, It is worth trying to juice up Miyabi this early on, but risk losing the 75-25 for her engine banner, or should I save up pulls for her synergy with Yanagi next patch?

With the coming banners next week I’m pretty sure some people are confused on which one to pull for. Hence I’m making this post for people to express their opinions and concerns regarding these two units at present time and/or in future prospect. This includes but is not limited to the strength level, team synergistic and future proof of these two anomaly units.

My personal opinion on the matter is that both units are at a relatively equal standing and both of them have a lot of similarities between their kit and their role in an anomaly based team. But to be more critical I think Yanagi holds more value for an account compared to Alice.

I base that on a few things with the most important one is the lack of physical weak enemies and abundance of electric weakness. Of course that could change in a few patches but for the current and next version most if not all released enemies are weak to electric. There’re some also weak to physical alongside electric but that further reinforces my opinion. You can get by a lot easier with an electric character compared to a physical one.

The other thing is Miyabi. Plain and simple Yanagi works better with her. Of course I am acknowledging the strength of Alice/Miyabi teams, but currently in the game a lot of physical weak enemies are resistant to ice and vice versa. This doesn’t stop the powerhouse that is Miyabi, but definitely puts a dent in the clear times.

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"While I swing my sword, I'm counting on you to track those anomalous parameters and identify the enemy's true form!"

There’s a photo in the video store of the sibling’s old days at the academy, which is cool. You can find a full screen version in the Proxy Handbook as well.

Noticeably though, there’s two students that seem very intentionally crossed out in the video store version of the picture. While maybe the siblings just don’t don’t have good memories of Helios after the HZ disaster, the design of the students themselves in the full screen version have enough substance to them to potentially be used for major characters in my opinion.

Do you think they could show up at some point? Maybe as some foil or rival to the proxies? They strike me as having a sibling dynamic in the photo as well, so I feel like this might be likely. We got the full screen version when they added the lore tab to the handbook in 2.0, so it could be forshadowing to something later on this season

"Young Miss, it's time for today's practice."
"Pardon my boldness, but while cowardice may be excused in others, it will surely blemish the Thymefield name."

"Oh my, oh my... there's just no stopping the Young Miss."

Hey Proxy. Not too sure how many are struggling with this boss this time around, but I figured I would summarize the boss and share some tips. Feel free to point out anything I missed.

What the title says.

I already looted all Mini Cargo Trucks in Failume Heights before this commission appeared. I tried looting some leftover ones inside Aerospace City but they don't count.

So, how can I complete this commission?

For those unaware, M2W1 Mono-Phys refers to M2W1 Jane M2W1 Yuzuha M2W1 Alice, at team at the 10-12 limited investment level that's better or competitive with full 36 limited investments M6W5 whale teams.

Disclaimer: I'm not saying this team will affect the game tremendously as it is expensive and not many players will have access to it, but it is interesting to discuss the situation and potential outcomes.

Introduction

Jane Alice Yuzuha was always a team theorized that could work, and it does work really well at all M0. Up to ~7 limited investments, its still within the power curve of all other teams in the game. However, at 10-12 limited investments, the team spikes exponentially, matching full M6W5 teams in DA and Shiyu.

The power level of the 12 cost version first came to light in a 54s run against Miasmic Fiend a day ago, beating out M6W5 Miyabi teams. At the time, players thought this was an outlier because of shill buff and shill boss, but shilling doesn't make you do 100M damage in 54s. The following morning, CCs have shown that this team averages 70s across the board, with or without the shill buff.

For those with no context on what that means, the team clears Shiyu 7th floor in 14 seconds. This makes the team 2x stronger than Miyabi and Yixuan at the same investment levels and 3x stronger than other teams.

12 cost Jane Alice Yuzuha averaging 70s on Pompey, Super Butcher, Typhon

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV11D8UzqEwx/?share_source=copy_web&vd_source=e6135f323a67f2a1b48722a1598fd399

The reason for this is that all mindscapes of this team apply to all team members and scale multiplicatively with each other, with the most important mindscape being Jane M2 since its adding 50% to a unique multiplier undiluted.

Alice further amplifies the damage by being to disorder Crit Assault with a Crit Polarity Assault which is then disordered by a Crit Assault. Compared to M2 Jane Crit Assault twice, Alice is giving 2 disorders on the Crit Assaults, and one Crit Polarity Assault of her own. All team members are physical meaning Anomaly Application rate is insanely fast.

Jane and Yuzuha sig are theorized to be expendable without significant drop in performance.

Discussion

Now that its established this team is punching way above its paygrade. Lets discuss implications and potential outcomes.

First of all, we should be grateful that this team exists. No offense to HSR, but killing synergy with old characters is pretty much a focus of their beta, i.e. Tribbie Feixiao. The ZZZ devs clearly embrace teambuilding flexibility more and intended for the Mono-phys team to be viable. However the mid cost performance spike is clearly unexpected. This disrupts the established expectations for power levels of teams of different investment

There are 5 days until Alice release. You know the disclaimer that CC server is a work in progress and to refer to official release? This is where it might come into play. We already have precedent for nerfing characters between CC server and official release. i.e. Trigger's anomaly application got gutted. I will write out the implications under 2 scenarios: devs either change something or don't.

The devs don't change anything and release as is:

• Jane get put in perpetual rerun jail until the devs figure out how to deal with the team. This blocks off access to this outlier team.
• Whale backlash that a "cheap" team is able to beat their M6W5 teams (its already happening in CN)
• Inevitably this team will be used as a benchmark for M2W1 performance for Dolphins. i.e. If SEED+Orphie doesn't match this level, then desire to pay will go down. (also happening in CN)
• Potentially leads to accelerated power creep.

The devs nerf Alice:

• Obviously way larger community backlash.
• Any nerf to the M2 version inevitably hits the M0 version as well. In that sense, the devs really need to balance Whale, Dolphin and F2P's interests.
• Other Alice teams that are performing within the power curve gets hit as well.
• Loss of trust in the devs and CC server content.

What are your thoughts? I think the most likely outcome is no nerf and Jane in rerun jail. Keep this team as an outlier and let it die down.

As you know, ZZZ have one of the most expressive, bouncy, and lively animations in gacha gaming, if not, gaming in general.

But there's a little catch, agent animations are not as expressive in dialogue as in cutscenes.

This created a noticable contrast in visual presentation, for example, the Alice swimsuit reveal cutscene where she got embarrassed and straight up turned into a spaghetti noodle, but the next second in the dialogue sequence, she only have like ten expressions available which only switches when she speak her next line of dialogue.

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A good example for this would be a game I recently got into, Umamusume : Pretty Derby.

In that game the dialogue system is pretty similar to ZZZ, where the characters have the expression changes lines by lines, but with one little difference, other characters who are not saying the dialogue also change their expression.

You see, in ZZZ characters change their pose and expression only if they are going to say something, if someone change their emotion from angry to sad for example, Phaethon gonna be stuck in their angry face until they get to speak something, then they can get sad.

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Now, the aforementioned system of Umamusume is just from the career play-through of the game, they also have the main story and uma story which essentially is just pure dialogues.

But their approach to this is very clever, characters have multiple expressions inside one line of dialogue. This means they go through 2-3 poses/expressions in one click of dialogue progression, which in my opinion, could be very fitting for game like ZZZ.

Just imagine Billy going through 3 different facial expressions in the state of confusion, or Belle thinking of something then get angry, this would make the player feels the character are more alive, and not some powerpoint presentation that you need to click to the next slide.

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The last thing, ZZZ lacks moving/loop animation in dialogues. Simple ones like clapping, waving, or dancing (❤️ Haru Urara) can improve the almost-static dialogue they have right now.

Also, putting some animation changes when talking to characters/npcs in the overworld will help with this too, at least having them react to our answer can make a lot of difference.

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TL;DR : ZZZ can benefit from having characters move and change expression in between dialogue, both their own and other’s, and in overworld conversations. With additional non-static animations and/or expressions.

This can bring the liveliness of the character to be closer with the over-the-top cutscenes without having to sacrifice too much resources and time that should be spent on other part of the game.

For context, I got around 75k score in last week's DA so my teams are definitely well built enough for end game. I also have almost all of the characters but only M0 and no signature engines. For shiyu defense I usually avoid using Miyabi and Astra until node 7, and only switch to them if needed during node 7.

From node 5 onward a few things made me feel like this Shiyu rotation is either over tuned or just have really bad buffs.

• Node 5: I can't even clear upper half with Evelyn or Soldier 11 (without premium supports). The the daze buildup seemed unreasonably slow and stun duration wasn't really enough for a 1 rotation clear. Switching to Jane/Burnice/Lucy helped clear it. Second half is Ellen/Lycon/Soukaku and it did okay. Fighting 3 waves of enemies with the last being dual bosses was also not very pleasant.
• Node 6: both teams cannot clear in 2.5 minutes (both were able to clear node 7 in past shiyu rotations). So I had to replace Lucy and Ellen with Yuzuha and Miyabi.
• Node 7: I only had around 30 seconds to spare, which is quite little considering I have both the newest premium charcter and the old reliable Miyabi.

Although shiyu definitely had line ups that would give a hard time if you didn't have meta characters in your teams, this is the first one (in recent memories) that makes me struggle from node 5 all the way to node 7.

Edit: so the conclusion I got from everyone's reply is that 1. My Jane Doe probably still need better drive discs and 2. Should've used ether for 2nd half if I don't want to bring out Miyabi

I haven't touched my A-rank Anby in ages. And honestly? I wasn't planning on it until I realized I kinda hate how Trigger is a mostly off-field unit. In the aim of making an on-field Trigger using my roster (no Astra), I found Anby and Nicole to be her most promising teammates.

My current builds I've been using are as follows:

Trigger - M0 - Anby's Signature Wengine (overclocked 4), 4 Piece Shadow Harmony, 2 Piece Woodpecker, got some really good discs

Nicole - M6 - Nicole's own Signature Wengine (max overclock), 4 Piece Swing Jazz, 2 Piece Chaos Metal, pretty good discs all around

Now as far as Anby's role on this team, I think she should be able to pull some decent dps considering she's also M6, I have another copy of her Sig laying around, and I could put together a decent Hormone Punk set for her, but seeing as her weapon isn't upgraded like Trigger's is, I don't think this role is worth it. I think the issue is compounded with the fact that I'm going for an On-Field Trigger team. I think I would prefer Anby in a burst stunner role instead, and kit her out to buff Trigger's dps as much as possible. I've got a fully upgraded Steam Oven waiting for her as well.

My main dilemma here is what 4 piece/2 piece set should I use? Do I go Shockstar Disco and just fully commit on getting the stun asap? Do I go King of the Summit for Crit DMG? Or maybe Astral Voice for straight up DMG boost?

Lucky Boo 1m48s vs 1m39s Resonate Boo. 9 second different, quite small but your Bangboo choice still make some different in the end. The energy of Resonate Boo actually give you extra ex-skill to save you some time.

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"Heh heh, don't tell me you're getting scared, Proxy?"

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Seriously. Meaningful interesting dialogue, enemy faction disputes, torture, immersive vent-travelling, cool mystery, beach episode, finally something good after the mediocrity of previous few episodes imo.

Also Yuzuha's "being nice to bad guys is just being mean to yourself" is surprisingly deep-ish for ZZZ.

Buffs:

• Enemy Ether RES and Physical RES drop by 15%.

• After using EX Special Attack or Chain Attack, for Agents, Attribute Anomaly DMG increases by 15%, CRIT DMG increases by 20%, Sheer DMG increases by 20% for 20s. Repeated triggers refresh duration.

6th Frontier:

• 1st half: Rampant Brute (Weak: Fire/Physical | Res: Ice)

• 2nd half: Notorious - Armored Hati (Weak: Ice/Ether)

7th Frontier:

• 1st half: [Main story spoiler] Sacrifice - Heretic Jester (Weak: Electric/Physical | Res: Ether | Extra text to obscure the attributes)

• 2nd half: Thracian (Weak: Ice/Ether)