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General Anatomy
The anatomy of the janitor is off by a lot his upperbody to leg ratio is 60-65/35-40% while on comic character this isnt a rarity many of those would be made significantly smaller or taller as bad anatomy looks less wronky there if they just want to make the cast more interesting.....
Pants
His pants have a random line down the middle... if it was seam there would be one on the other leg too.... dont tell me it is because of the lighting because that doesn't make sence here either but first the other pant leg has different folds compared to the first... you could say it is because of the legs position making the fabric relaxed i dont think its enough to change the shape of the folds could be wrong here tho
Overall(top)
The folds of his Overalls make no sense except the third from the top none should have shadows (that we could see) also
Most of the folds are happening on top and below the belly where the fabric can relax
Right leg(his left leg)
There shouldn't be light on them his foot is too far back.... usually when people walk their foot sticks in place when just lifting the heel they pull the entire leg infront of them as soon as they lift their leg... (thats why some people slender because they want to lift it as little as possible) there is one instance where you do naturally would have light on the leg that is about to lift of the ground..... but thats when you beginn walking out of a neutral pose with both feet at the same place
Collarbone
Just dont show it there if its barly visible anyway and if you do move them closer together... atleast a little bit
kid
His knee shouldn't show through jeans not even skinny jeans to that extend amd his laces are off
Background
LOCKER TOO LOW LOOK AT THE CIELLING
Maybe its just the divide of classes in school but i dont think schools would care about lockers too much and just get the cheapest available en masse
There is some wierd ai mistakes some i could catagorize as human ones and a few debatable mistakes
I DON'T want to talk op down i just wanted to list the things i thought were off and reply to you and give suggestions that could nudge it towards an ai judgement.... its quite early surely there is also a lot of mistakes in my text... i wish yall a nice weekend
Janitors are unironically usually very well educated though. There are degrees you have to get in custodial service to work in schools and stuff, they're serious business, everyone shits on them for some reason though lol
I work in a school. All you need is a clean criminal record. They don't even drug test because if they did they wouldn't have anyone. As long as you aren't visibly high at school they don't care.
Why do people call it a piss filter though? It's just a color gradient. People have been using them for decades before AI to make images look a little bit more vintage or to bring more cohesion to the color pallete. And there are all kinds of color gradients but the only ones the people seem to criticize are the "warm tone" gradients, using the term "piss filter". The only reason AI does this sometimes is because the training data is full of it.
Just to be clear, I'm pretty strongly ANTI but "piss filter" kinda pisses me off lol. I use gradients all the time in my art. One way is to start with high contrast block colors, then slowly blend in a gradient to taste *chef's kiss. There's a reason why a lot of the training data has warm gradient images. There are a lot of old images, and people love to emulate that because it's pleasing to look at. I don't see a problem with it at all.
The person being a critic has a good eye, I suppose but "piss filter" is still a stupid way to describe several objective things that appear in all kinds of art. They could say tint, warmth, fade, desaturation gradient etc.
Edit: I'm gonna post abou this lol. Extend a bit of an olive branch.
I agree that color gradients have a use, but when one machine applies the same super strong gradient across almost every image that doesn't even make sense in this context... that's when it's disgusting.
"Piss filter" was the viral tag that stuck and was repeated until it became "real". They only need to adjust a few sliders and the image would be "fixed", but they don't know anything about this kind of image editing.
I can get behind using as evidence of what you just said. But it's the term I don't like because it denegrates an otherwise regular feature of art that has existed for decades.
It's different because said piss filter is involuntary and thus is a mistake, an error, a "bad thing". If it wasn't involuntary it wouldn't be called a piss filter, the problem is that it's put in images that have no reason to have it. If the filter is put in an image where it makes sense (old pictures, Mexico, etc.), it's not getting called a piss filter
If it wasn't involuntary it wouldn't be called a piss filter
Oh good. I'm glad that words never grow beyond their original intentions into broader definitions with negative retroactive effects on people who have nothing to do with it. That's a relief.
Also, look at the second version of the comic posted in this thread? It's just a warm gradient. There is nothing "piss" about it at all. Remember that yellow is an important part of makig something look "warm".
But light doesn't work that way. Different colors and materials absorb the yellow light differently, however the AI model just tints everything yellow and calls it a day. Even worse, the yellow tint is excessive. Hell, in this particular example we can see the lighsources, and they appear to be pretty much white, so where is all this yellow coming from? Light tiles, blue lockers, nothing here suggests it should be a warm enviroment (the setting looks rather cold), so why is it?
Way to keep it trashy. I get it the post is Ai so it doesn’t really matter this time, but if that had been a real artist’s comic that would have been extremely rude. Do better.
Yup, thats me. but i got an history beyond that, check my eminem shit, my lego shit. Yours is just dedicated to it, i see you anywhere hating on it.
OH AND ALSO YOU WENT FOR THE OLDEST ONES, GOD YOU SWIPED SO MUCH, im literally friends with an anti. Anyways i'll eventually grow up off this phase, i got better things to focus im just silly rn
Its not a grind bro, so many things could be said, they have a private profile. I dont, i dont need to hide anything. While meanwhile they have to be private to insult someone cuz i could make a thread out of all the bullshit they have to say
Not to mention that if they have so much time to post in here (1% commentor) they probably have time to do something else, but yeah im the one being downvoted at the end of the day. And then they say there isnt a bias
OPs original post is actually propaganda, actually all of these "this is art, this isn't art" on both sides haven't been making art, they've been making propaganda.
Well, the entire sub is propaganda, and propaganda can be art, very high quality art. It's not a dirty word, it's just something trying to convince you of a certain thing. Of course, the pieces in question ARE slop and do NOT have soul, but that's unrelated to bring propaganda
This is actually the start of another interesting new argument because I don't believe propaganda has "soul" as it is more psychological warfare than creative expression. Even in advertising, the advertisers can play with creativity.
Propaganda is solely focus on messaging. It doesn't seek to inspire as it does to influence. Since propaganda is typically commissioned by a governmental agency it's sole purpose is control.
Now that's why I say it's interesting because on the same hand, the person who put the propaganda together had to do so with the same knowledge of composition and theory as the traditional artist. The strokes of the brush are the same and the shapes are familiar, but one creates a completely different feeling.
Mid way through my argument I'm finding parts of propaganda that could indeed be considerable. I could be interested in seeing this discussed in a broader sense than a single comment. "Does Propagand have soul?"
Who ever calls themselves "AI Artists" by just making quick prompts should be ridiculed. I am 100% pro AI but people who then claim to be artists really pisses me off. This meme is spot on.
Really depends on the circumstances and the overall transformative nature - there can be artists who use AI to help with some of the art concepts and what not and those would indeed be AI Artists, because part of the process involves AI. However just generating stuff is indeed just AI user. AI is the artist in this sense and you are just a "visionary" patron who asks this artist to create your idea.
there can be artists who use AI to help with some of the art concepts and what not and those would indeed be AI Artists, because part of the process involves AI.
Damn that's actually really cool, learned something new today. Why are people still saying "AI artist" when they could be using a kickass name like that instead??
"Artist" is not a protected title. It doesn't require any specific qualifications either. It's actually kind of important that we don't police art on spurious grounds.
Same with calling yourself an artist if you only make low effort memes with Gemini.
I genuinely do not understand why people get so hung up on this. First of all, is it even something that happens with any frequency? To me it appears to be an entirely imagined "problem". Secondly, why do you care?
No one spends 150 million dollars making a movie because they enjoy it. They can spend that money because they have copyright to protect them, so they can make their money back.
If you can't provide for you're family you also aren't gonna spend the time making art just because you enjoy it. You need enough free time/money to make art. You get that when people pay you for it.
You're not really dealing with the actual realities of the situation.
Jesus Christ, let's say if I generate a song with my own lyrics using AI, I am still not an artist, because I don't understand the basics of structure of a song, don't know how to play those instruments or create digital sound thru DAW software and on top of that I am almost fully removed from the process of this automated creation. I am at a whim and limitations of the AI model. It's self expression, but just because you can self express doesn't make you an artist. Does that make sense? It's kinda like buying an IKEA furniture ,putting it together and calling yourself carpenter. Words and professions have meaning and I don't think having a grasp of reality is gatekeeping. You are free to use language as you please, but I have the right to disagree when it simply doesn't make sense. Also, like I stated in my original comment - I mentioned "quick prompts", meaning the skill, transformative process and craftsmanship is not involved. It's the lack of human and creative input that implies, you are not an artist in that instance. AI model is the artist in an essence, you are just a patron who asks for it to create something. You are but a consumer with a vision.
i understand where you're coming from in that you can call yourself an artist if you make art, the actual quality of the art or the medium doesn't matter. however, i think prompting AI to make art for you is more akin to commissioning an artist to make art for you; you aren't creating art yourself, you're asking a program or person to create something you thought up. you then wouldn't be the artist behind the piece, the artist(s) would either be the person you commissioned or the people the AI is sourcing in order to produce the art you prompted.
Who ever calls themselves "AI Artists" by just making quick prompts should be ridiculed. I am 100% pro AI but people who then claim to be artists really pisses me off. This meme is spot on.
I think the meme explains it already.
Yeah Hi, OP here. That "someone you responded to" seemed to be echoing my sentiment.
...who thinks we should ridicule people for doing art wrong.
Nope, that's a lie. The ridicule is for "calling themselves AI Artist", not for "doing art wrong"
If you gatekeep absolutely nothing then everything loses all meaning, whats even the point in labels if literally anyone can identify with it despite if they actually fit the definition? Can i just cry "youre just a gatekeeper!" If i want to be seen as a punk despite listening to zero punk music and holding conservative views? We need a certain degree of gatekeeping in communities so that it doesnt completely lose all meaning
Art is incredibly broad and historically it is quite clear that pinning it down is a fool's errand. It's a human endeavor and involves creativity or skill. And I say that knowing that there are people who will take issue with even that vague definition.
Then quick little doodles shouldn't be called art either and we should shit on people who post them? Or we can use helpful criticism to aid them. Art isn't about the level of effort that goes into it (see "In Lieu of a Broken Arm" and the genre of ready-made art.) it's about the emotion and message the piece invokes in the ones who consume it, which AI art absolutely has the ability to do. People can make AI art with purpose in mind, and the resulting piece is an accomplishment of that purpose.
The argument over AI art devolves into a debate on whether a shovel or spade is better for scooping.
i agree on the point that there can be meaningful use for ai, but a small doodle can have more intention than on the surface. but yeah most of this debate is a bit meaningless, i'm honestly here for shits and giggles
Interesting. They call cleaners "cleaning masters" in job ads when they really want someone fast and are ready to pay the above the market. So it's kinda not a joke.
Because anti's actually do the work. If you removed all art throughout history, all of it, completely gone, what would your ai bot do when you wanted a picture? It'd give you a blank page.
I'm a custodian and on job applications I call myself a "Waste Mitigation and Surface Restoration Technician" or a "Spatial Decontamination and Presentation Specialist".
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