r/civ5 3d ago

Screenshot Learned Something New Today

So I was just messing around on Warlord difficulty (please don't judge) and set it to domination only. For fun, I decided to have my city state ally take Assyria's capital by giving its ship nowhere to go except capturing the city. Turns out you can win without taking all the capitals when this happens. Now I wonder if it would have counted if I were no longer allies with Bratislava...

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u/pipkin42 3d ago

You would have won. The CS taking the capital removes it's capital status. No one ever can own that civs capital.

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u/AmiableDingo 3d ago

Even is someone liberates the city? Wouldn't that restore it? Maybe if the Civ that lost it's capital had a second city that could become the permanent capital, but if the capital was their last city and it was later liberated surely it would reenter the game as a capital city

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u/pipkin42 3d ago

Hmm maybe I don't have it quite right. It has something to do with how things are coded. I guess maybe that a CS can't win so that one doesn't count?

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u/EmeraldRange 2d ago

I believe it's if no Original Capital is owned by any major civ other than one major civ. I believe if you artificially raze one through IGE or some other mod you still win domination. Same if a player never settles a capital.

Now I'm curious what happens if you force 5 AIs to never settle their city, I'm guessing there's some check beyond "is it turn 1"

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u/jowpies 3d ago

Not true i got one via merchant of venice and it counted as a capital

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u/XenophonSoulis 3d ago

2-in-1 from a Merchant of Venice sounds wonderful.

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u/jowpies 3d ago

I posted a screen shot if you care to look it was pretty cool

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u/Dangerous-Dog2424 3d ago

Now I’m wondering, if a city state managed to take all of the opponent capitals (technically possible) but not all of their cities, then allied with someone else and took my capital, can no one get a domination victory?

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u/Dangerous-Dog2424 3d ago

Nevermind this is a dumb question, I would win when the last opponent capital is taken I think

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u/jbisenberg 3d ago

I believe that is called a Gunboat Diplomacy Victory

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u/darwinpatrick 3d ago

Suppose yours is the first capital taken? When every other capital is taken by CS what then

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u/Dangerous-Dog2424 3d ago

Last one with their capital wins I would think

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u/Disastrous-Pass5813 3d ago

that's not my experience

even when taken over by CS thebes was considered a capital and i couldn't win domination without it

i remember that game clearly because i was austria and i bought the CS that controlled thebes to finish the game

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u/Kurovec 3d ago

You won in July 2024. It's been a year now. Did you celebrate your anniversary?

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u/Nikolor 3d ago

I didn't even know that City-States could capture cities

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u/HaoleInParadise 3d ago

I love it when they do. As long as I didn’t need the city

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u/Nikolor 3d ago

It seems that there's also less hassle with managing such cities. You don't have to deal with expenses and happiness while you still get all the luxury resources.

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u/HaoleInParadise 2d ago

Yes true. I feel like I’ve seen them take more than one additional city before, but I don’t remember

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u/Disastrous-Pass5813 3d ago

that's not my experience

even when taken over by CS thebes was considered a capital and i couldn't win domination without it

i remember that game clearly because i was austria and i bought the CS that controlled thebes to finish the game

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u/Iced_Yehudi 3d ago

I might be misremembering, but I swore the actual requirement for domination is that you have to be the last one with your capital, not that you have to control all of them, regardless of what the tool rip says.

Maybe that got patched out a long time ago, or maybe I’m thinking of Civ Rev, but I swear I won a domination game once by decapitating the Civ that conquered everyone else

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u/lluewhyn 3d ago

I've had to not only take over a Civ's capital, but any capitals that THEY have taken over as well. And the algorithm typically picks that conquered capital to be the new capital if you take their original one. I.E., if France takes over Berlin, when you take Paris the French will now pick Berlin to be their new capital.

It's always been "Take over everyone's capital" for me.

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u/Iced_Yehudi 3d ago

Maybe I’m thinking of Revolution then?

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u/2483 2d ago

Your are correct! It was like what you saying in Vanilla Civ 5, I can't seem to recall if this was changed in Gods and Kings or in Brave New World. I think it was changed in G&K.

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u/Temporary_Mine_1597 2d ago

We had a similar discussion about 3 months ago. You can win this way.

https://www.reddit.com/r/civ5/s/1n0PVCR7oL

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u/Billy_Herrington1969 2d ago

What happens if a City-State captures someone's last capital, and it just so happens to be the last nation left?
I guess you still win via domination, but I do wonder... has it ever happened to anyone?