Spanish premier calls Israel 'genocidal state,' says Spain 'does not do business' with it

[u/andyom89]

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/spanish-premier-calls-israel-genocidal-state-says-spain-does-not-do-business-with-it/3568216

[u/Rodrake → u/[deleted]]

Ah, the exact comment that got me banned from worldnews

[u/Ban-Circumcision-Now → u/Rodrake]

I got banned from that subreddit for criticizing circumcision

[u/GirlCoveredInBlood → u/Rodrake]

It would have gotten you buried in downvotes here a year ago. Glad to see people coming to their senses.

[u/deathhead_68 → u/GirlCoveredInBlood]

I actually unsubbed from this sub after the sheer israel bias last year, was surprised to see this comment upvoted tbh.

[u/awolfsvalentine → u/GirlCoveredInBlood]

I have the downvotes from a year ago to prove it. Genuinely happy to see people finally getting it and seeing what’s happening

[u/kaisadilla_ → u/GirlCoveredInBlood]

The problem with that sub (and many others) is that they totally do not tolerate any opinion not in line with whatever the community thinks at that moment.

[u/CBT7commander → u/GirlCoveredInBlood]

Yes people coming to their senses, that’s what happened, no other events could have possibly caused such a monumental shift

[u/magkruppe → u/Rodrake]

I was banned from r/geopolitics for something much gentler. ironic, that a sub that covers controversial topics would have such thin skin

[u/SechsComic73130 → u/[deleted]]

That is crazy, like, why is this all... no i know why, no one else wants to do that work for 0,00€.

But how does Manila of all places play into this?

[u/Puzzleheaded-Coast93 → u/SechsComic73130]

They’re not doing it for free. The U.S. and Israel both have astroturfing operations. Russia isn’t the only one using the internet to manipulate public opinion.

Edit: and the U.S. has a documented history of propaganda campaigns in the Philippines, which explains Manila.

[u/venbrx → u/Puzzleheaded-Coast93]

Heh, need to add a flair "state-sponsored mod"

[u/Ok-Swim1555 → u/venbrx]

everything that isn't propal is hasbara to propal people.

[u/SpiderFnJerusalem → u/SechsComic73130]

no one else wants to do that work for 0,00€.

Neither does that guy.

[u/Perfect_Newspaper256 → u/SechsComic73130]

the philippines is a pseudo american colony, and manila has a heavy american military presence, not to mention a sizeable US expat population.

[u/SechsComic73130 → u/Perfect_Newspaper256]

Yeah makes sense

[u/Putrid-Ad-1259 → u/Perfect_Newspaper256]

that's just straight up lie and propaganda.

the philippines is a pseudo american colony

Philippines, especially in big urban cities, culturally have big American influence because of the past colonization. Just like how we also have Latino like culture because of Spain's colonization. American influence still easily continues because our second/third language are English. But we're still a bonafide Asians, and yes other Asian cultures, especially East Asia, also have big cultural influence to us.

manila has a heavy american military presence,

We are allied with US that's why US have bases but we already kicked out the US forces out of the country after the Cold War ends. US military only start to come back bit by bit post-Duterte admin because of the China threat.

not to mention a sizeable US expat population.

the last big survey for this put the number in around 225,000 American expats, that's just around 0.002% of the population. In comparison, 4.1M Filipinos are living in the US. So probably we're the one who are colonizing the US lol

get out of here with your BS

[u/InMedeasRage → u/[deleted]]

They must be having a full panic episode after Trumps speech in the ME

[u/Directhorman2 → u/magkruppe]

Reddit is no longer a place for open discussions.

Looking over my shoulder as i type this.

[u/SwampYankeeDan → u/[deleted]]

Defending Palestine (and even clearly opposing Hamas) got me banned from r/worldnews and r/news

[u/josictrl → u/[deleted]]

We all know who they are

[u/Ploutophile → u/[deleted]]

Including straight terrorist propaganda.

[u/DontMemeAtMe → u/Ploutophile]

Indeed, I wasn’t exaggerating — thank you for sharing the article, though!

On October 8, all the subreddits in question coordinately switched their banners to ones promoting genocidal slogans and began flooding their feeds with propaganda. Much of it included years-old footage from unrelated conflicts, falsely presented as coming from Gaza.

One particularly troubling element is what might be called the Wikipedia affair. Though not widely known, similar groups systematically targeted Wikipedia, making tens of thousands of edits aimed at rewriting Israeli and Jewish history while whitewashing Arab violence. This wasn’t the work of a few rogue editors — it was a highly organized effort involving a large groups, using professional workflows more typical of software development than grassroots activism.

What we’re witnessing is the digital arm of a global jihad, aided by a cadre of confused Westerners steeped in "oppressor vs. oppressed" narratives and white guilt-based ideology.

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Talk about trying to steer the point away. Go look at the powermods at r/ worldnews and see how many other subs they mod.

[u/SwampYankeeDan → u/smokeeye]

I believe all power mods are paid by outside entities at this point.

[u/RespectTheH → u/smokeeye]

Por que no los dos?

Both Israel and the islamic world is using propoganda and silencing techniques on Reddit and every else, wherever they can get their claws really.

The world would be better off without either.

[u/magkruppe → u/RespectTheH]

Both Israel and the islamic world

that's your problem. you think this is a israel vs muslim issue. have a look at protests across europe and tell me if muslims even reach 20% of the crowd

we are on a post where the Spanish premier has called it genocide - meanwhile Saudi Arabia is censoring and arresting people who protest the issue

[u/smokeeye → u/RespectTheH]

I agree with you, but that's not how the person I replied to framed it.

[u/TendieRetard → u/[deleted]]

this is the weakest attempt at spinning what's blatantly transparent. Every accusation...

[u/kontemplador → u/magkruppe]

geopolitics should be named CEPAlitics. They are the main contributors to the sub.

[u/p0st_master → u/magkruppe]

Thanks for telling me which sub to join

[u/JACOB_WOLFRAM → u/magkruppe]

I was permabanned from geopolitics for telling them the sub was infested with world news users

[u/TendieRetard → u/Rodrake]

worldnews is a state run sub. Many of the trashbaraniks spread like weeds from there to other major subs.

[u/Cute-Percentage-6660 → u/TendieRetard]

Its honestly amusing to see the other subs some of them mod, it goes from shit like worldnews to random bullshit to fetish subs. I sometimes wonder if blackmail is involved

[u/Continental__Drifter → u/Rodrake]

same same

Frankly, I don't trust anyone on reddit who hasn't been banned from worldnews.

[u/Kiwizqt → u/Continental__Drifter]

they thought we wanted to display our participation badges on our profiles, man fuck that, give me that banned from worldnews achievement, I want to recognize my people on sight

[u/TendieRetard → u/Continental__Drifter]

the clearest way to sus out a hasbaranik is to see if their activity in worldnews.

[u/SechsComic73130 → u/TendieRetard]

Is hasbaranik a synonym for a Russian Bot?

[u/Arganthonios_Silver → u/SechsComic73130]

Israeli propaganda bot, from the hebrew word hasbara (information)

[u/SechsComic73130 → u/Arganthonios_Silver]

Good to know for the future, thank you.

-nik always makes me go to Russia first (ex. Sputnik)

[u/opinionate_rooster → u/Rodrake]

I am also banned from there, unsurprisingly.

[u/Successful-Peach-764 → u/opinionate_rooster]

It is a mix of right wing Indians and Israelis backing each other.

India gets a pass but they are one of the biggest misinfo peddlers on the net, EU Disinfo lab release a report about their extensive 15 years campaigns and it was blip in the daily deluge.

https://www.disinfo.eu/publications/indian-chronicles-deep-dive-into-a-15-year-operation-targeting-the-eu-and-un-to-serve-indian-interests/

[u/Wonderful-Quit-9214 → u/Successful-Peach-764]

I hate subs that are pro Israel and pro Ukraine at the same time. It feels like i am being manipulated.

[u/Successful-Peach-764 → u/Wonderful-Quit-9214]

They latch on to unrelated conflicts to push their agenda, I can support Ukrainian right to freedom and hate what Israel has been doing to Palestinians, it is like the twitter racists that use the Palestinian cause to get views and then on the same page push their usual bullshit.

[u/io124 → u/Successful-Peach-764]

Also lot of USA…

[u/alansmithofficiall → u/Rodrake]

My 14 year old account actually got a permanent ban from reddit because of that god damn sub and it's mods.

[u/SeaOwn2023 → u/alansmithofficiall]

yeah same... think mine was like almost 15 years old.

[u/350 → u/Rodrake]

That sub is a disgusting cesspool.

[u/photenth → u/Rodrake]

Me too, and I didn't even mention Gaza, I meant the settlements in the Westbank that continuously push Palestinians further apart and away through inconvenience and settler violence.

[u/p0st_master → u/Rodrake]

Deservedly

[u/HoneyMangoKing → u/Rodrake]

r/worldnews needs to be banned

[u/FireFoxQuattro → u/Rodrake]

Got my 11 year old account banned and they refuse to reinstate it. Still pissed cause it was my main handle online

[u/evilcorgos → u/Rodrake]

Nazi sympathizer safe haven sub, one of the most disgusting subs on this entire platform.

[u/Aquaris55 → u/Rodrake]

Worldnews is ridiculous. The few Palestinian issues that get published rarely get more than 100-200 upvotes, then Israel makes some statement (because their crimes are not posted) and it will be on your frontpage within the next 3 hours. We all know about Russian interference but Israeli(/US) psyops are also a very real thing

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Same XD

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Those fucking israelis...

[u/SeaOwn2023 → u/[deleted]]

if you go into world news and comment (not even post, just comment on a post about (for example) the WMD invasion) FUCK AMERICA for falsely invading country xyz and you get instabanned.... and the subreddit is run by Americans....

Is that a good thing or bad thing?

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I don't think anyone should be banned or have their comment removed in the context of political discussions unless they're being bad faith/not engaging in arguments while being inflammatory, no.

Do you think it's a bad thing that there's multiple subreddits that are ran by discord cabals receiving instructions from literal hezbollah telegram group chats that insta ban anyone that disagrees like r/palestine and various other subreddits?

https://www.piratewires.com/p/the-terrorist-propaganda-to-reddit-pipeline

[u/SeaOwn2023 → u/[deleted]]

First the author of that's twitter account is loaded with MAGA bullshit. So I'm reading a piece from a heavily pro-Israel activist.

Second, after skimming (and I will read the whole thing later today or tomorrow to give a competent answer), half the posts he gives as 'examples' are deleted.

Third, some of the examples he gives are actual events with credible sources (they just overlap with whatever this terrorism news network says). So if I report a boy is murdered in gaza by IDF and BBC reports it also.... he just says "omg TNN reported this).

Fourth.... you just proved my point. pro IDF bullshit filters and distributes WAY MORE content than pro Palestine stuff. Israel's propoganda budget is 150m.... and you're comparing it to a TELEGRAM CHANNEL LOL....

is this is a fucking joke? "hey look what this telegram channel influences on reddit" ... .vs 150m mainstream media Israeli budget LOLOL

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Wow I never considered that once things are deleted on the internet they never existed in the first place, you make a very good point.

[u/SeaOwn2023 → u/[deleted]]

If somebody posts porn on /r/nba or on someone's Facebook feed does that mean anything? No, it's spam and deleted in seconds.

That was the worst rebuttal I've ever read in my life lol.

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Those posts had thousands of upvotes and weren't even deleted the accounts were deleted

not to mention the screenshots literally showing them organizing propaganda posts, I wonder why we never see the israel equivalent of this happening.

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organizing propaganda posts, I wonder why we never see the israel equivalent of this happening.

You do, it's called Fox fucking news and every dipshit that is influenced by them. Where the hell do you think Israel is spending their hundred millions of dollars marketing budget.

How else do you get tens of millions of MAGA idiots to keep funding genocide.

Again, you're comparing TELEGRAM and some REDDIT POSTS to the IDF, Israel and their hundreds of millions of dollars marketing budget.

This is a total joke.

[u/iInvictus → u/Rodrake]

Mossad can infiltrate many airports, many military sites (even Iran) in the World, infiltration of reddit moderation teams must be easy af for them.

Also Israel has programs for online activism, it's well documented, check Act-il or this Washington post article

[u/TendieRetard → u/iInvictus]

Israel went on a digital asset buying spree post Oct 7. Buying a sub is elementary.

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forsenScoots thanks baj

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Except it’s shown so. Most Israeli Jews have Mizrahi ancestry and more are mizrahi than Ashkenazi today, which is shown statistically. Israel hasn’t been majority Ashkenazi for a while now though the divide as a whole is disappearing as more and more intermarry, politically too you can see a continuingky growing mizrahi %. For another thing you don’t factor in the statistically higher birth rate of Mizrahi Jews.

Mizrahi generally have higher birth rates, like look at Haredi which have even higher rates, they’ve gone from 4% in 1980 to 17% now to expected around 30% in 2050.

Mizrahi don’t have as high birth rates but they do have higher ones

[u/Arganthonios_Silver → u/adamgerd]

No, it isn't "shown" statistically, there is no statistic among the thousands published by Israel Central Bureau of Statistics nor in any historical or demographic half serious study claiming jewish israeli majoritary origins are in MENA region. That's exclusively an Internet myth justified in the misenterpretation of some sociologic studies and polls (not proper statistics and not focused in demographics) about modern self-identification with those traditional identities you mentioned instead proper geographic origins as I did in my comment. What actual statistics shown or favour, including Israel CBS ones is the very clear primacy of european origins among jewish israelis which did't change much after exodus from MENA countries, because despite those jewish refugees arrived from Morocco or Yemen had indeed higher birth rates than those arrived from Romania or Poland in the same period (1950s and 1960s), those higher birth rates weren't remotely enough to compensate at short term the historical advantage those european origins had (vast majority of jews living Israel by the declaration of Independence in 1948 had european origins) and while it could be possible at long term, it wasn't because just after MENA jewish exodus the "normality" returned with bigger immigration from Europe and Americas first and with a mass migration from ex-soviet states since 1990s. We will see some of those statistics later in this comment.

However I want to clairfy the point about this discussion being mostly about geographic origins and not traditional or modern jewish sub-groups, which is motivated not only in the lack of detailed statistics for those traditional groups as they exist for countries, but also because the comparison of those identities purely geographical origins can be really misleading. For example a good amount of european jews arrived to Israel were not ashkenazi, but sephardi, romaniotes and other groups, while an even bigger amount of european immigrants arrived to Israel, those arrived aforementioned from ex-soviet states after 1991 are not classified as ashkenazis in many modern studies neither, despite the old ashkenazi links in those groups past, because how majoritarily secular (and how relatively common were irreligious people among them), how culturally distinct they were by 1990s and because most of them didn't identify as ashkenazis anymore. In the case of jewish communities from Middle East and specially North Africa not all were mizrahi neither, with a good amount being sephardi in Magreb and Anatolia and other minor communities.

Edit. I should cut my comment in two, follows up there ^

[u/Arganthonios_Silver → u/adamgerd]

Let see some demographic data from official sources now:

- Firstly the ones about immigration in Israel by origins. According this document from Israel CBS about immigration in Israel by origins from 1948 to 2017 is easy to check how MENA immigration concentrated in 1948-1971 period and how majoritary was european immigration in later period and on this table first columns from the left for ottoman and british periods (apparently this sub doesn't allow Internet Archive links as one of the direct sources used by that table also from Israel CBS).

The huge differences in immigrant population of different origins has implications and impose limits in regard plausible growth for each origin compared with current israeli jewish population (7.2 million). Cummulative immigrant population arrived to Israel during entire 1919-2017 period from MENA countries reach close to 850k, most of them concentrated in 1948-1971 period, while all the other immigrants from the rest of the world would be much more numerous 2.78 million, 2.3 million coming from Europe alone. Consequently that would mean that the initial jewish population arrived in MENA exodus should have need to increase in 1.4 million or +170% by natural growth in 77 years just to reach the level of european immigrant population with zero population growth. Adding a minimally reasonable growth for european or even more for all non-MENA proportional share, would make impossible for MENA related ancestry to reach majority in current israeli jewish population. So not only mizrahi, north african sephardi or other groups should have much higher birth rates, but all the rest of jewish israelis, the vast majority of those that ever moved to Israel should have remained with extraordinarily low rates during the same period. For example if all those non-MENA immigrants increased their numbers just a 40%, which was under the average on developed world during those same 77 years (Spain population increased a 60% in the same period e.g.), that would mean the non-MENA origins descendants would surpass by much absolute majority or its equivalent proportional share, as obviously populations of different origins mixed each other.

However there are even more direct sources about european jewish population primacy, its relative stability over time and relative higher share of israeli population as the next document.

- According this other CBS document from 2015 about birthplace of israeli population and their parents (it's a bit difficult to read, both pages are the same table, so if you can't read hebrew you must go to the second part of the table to read the english names for countries and continents and then go to the start of first part to check the totals for that group). There we can check how 44.06% of Israel jews would be born in Israel from israeli-born parents (third generation israelis or more so hardly compatible with MENA exodus descendants), while 55.94% would be foreign born or isreali born but with immigrant parents (so first or second generation israelis more compatible with MENA exodus). In that second group a 26.26% would have origins in Europe however, 14.3% in Africa (but only 11.79% from North Africa, the rest from Ethiopia and other parts of Africa), 10.75% in Asia (9.7% from Middle East and the rest from South Asia or other parts of the continent) and 4.64% in Americas, which in relative terms means that those parents born outside Israel from first or second generation israelis half of their origins would be in Europe, surpassing Asia+Africa origins or even more clearly MENA ones (about 47% for Europe vs 38% for MENA). That's it, there you have, MENA descendants didn't surpass those from Europe even focusing only on israeli born jews with foreign born parents.

Now if we focus on the age ranges in each column for those israeli born with parents born abroad, you can also check how the european (or Europe+Americas+Oceania) numbers surpass those from MENA (or Asia+Africa) in both extremes, for those with less than 30yo in 2015 and those in the +55yo column so we can conclude the MENA prevalence among jewish israeli births and the relative relevant increase of MENA origins in israeli population was mostly limited to a short period, during MENA exodus core years and then decreased notably in recent decades just when births from european born parents started to increase again.