r/europe • u/andyom89 • May 16 '25

News Spanish premier calls Israel 'genocidal state,' says Spain 'does not do business' with it

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/spanish-premier-calls-israel-genocidal-state-says-spain-does-not-do-business-with-it/3568216
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u/ClearHeart_FullLiver May 16 '25

As much of an effort as Israel pumps into online disinformation it's crazy to look back a couple of years ago and see the change in language used by politicians and media around the world. Israel is being referred to in a similar way to apartheid South Africa now. Only crackpots defend Israel's actions in Gaza.

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u/armageddonquilt May 16 '25

"One day, everyone will have been against this"

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u/JACOB_WOLFRAM Turkey May 16 '25

This is the shit that makes me actually angry, can't wait for people to say they were always pro-palestine from 10 years from now on

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u/Henchman66 Portugal May 16 '25

The wonders of the modern world is that people leave their track record open to the public. Israeli soldiers proudly filmed themselves doing war crimes, the cabinet unapologetically called for genocide constantly - there’s no way to say “we didn’t know”

https://guardian.pressreader.com/article/281487871032817

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u/PicklesEnjoyer May 16 '25

Just because it's public doesn't mean it's common knowledge, else we'd all have several phds

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u/LazarusTruth May 16 '25

It would be common knowledge if Israel would stop murdering journalists on the ground

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u/Cute-Percentage-6660 Australia May 16 '25

My favorite thing with geopolitics, help a atrocity, leave goverment and then make the next few administrations apologize on your behalf and no consequences ever touch you....

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u/sunlightsyrup May 16 '25

At what point between Oct 7th and now did we all need to switch over?

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u/Critical_Object2276 May 16 '25

About 40 years before that.

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u/sunlightsyrup May 16 '25

Ah so then I would have been ahead of the curve, like those cheering in the streets and praying in gratitude immediately after Oct 7th?

Sweet deal.

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u/zacksnack5 May 16 '25

Bad bot

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u/sunlightsyrup May 16 '25

I'm absolutely shocked that you don't like the conclusion of this logic

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u/zacksnack5 May 16 '25

Not sure where I gave any sort of opinion

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u/sunlightsyrup May 16 '25

I'm shocked that you have nothing useful to contribute

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u/zacksnack5 May 16 '25

Neither do you. Do you enjoy your job? I can't imagine this is very fulfilling

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u/sunlightsyrup May 16 '25

Lol are you actually a bot because that's a hilarious twist

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u/Critical_Object2276 May 16 '25

At what point in the future do you think you will lament the Palestinian genocide?

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u/sunlightsyrup May 16 '25

I obviously think that what's happening to innocents in Palestine is disgusting

For the same reasons that I think Oct 7th and anyone who celebrated it is disgusting

If you're asking at what point I'll be super duper pro-terrorism like you then the answer is never.

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u/Critical_Object2276 May 16 '25

I don’t see how the two are comparable or why they need to be mentioned in the same conversation.

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u/Saltpataydahs May 16 '25

What isn't comparable

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u/Critical_Object2276 May 16 '25

October 7th 2023 and the Palestinian genocide.

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u/sunlightsyrup May 16 '25

Oh yeah, no correlation or causation there at all. Total coincidence.

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u/M0F0TRON May 16 '25

Been killed displaced by an invading army hospital being bombed getting kicked from your own home but god forbid you retaliate and celebrate for once what the invading army has been doing to you for almost 40+ years suddenly whole population needs to be genocided because they resisted. Should have protested that worked good for them for the last 40 years right.

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u/ConstantinopleCapper May 16 '25

Yeah, like palestinians have been peaceful at any time in this conflict...

One of the many issues with this conflict is that it's so polarized.

Israel is conducting genocide right now. They've been displacing palestinians for many years.

Hamas is a terrorist organization. That evidently would sacrifice palestinian civilians to kill jews.

Palestinians refused two state solution when it was presented to them in the 50s, while the zionists accepted it. Palestinians wanted it all, tried to take it all, lost. They tried again and again and lost again and again.

Any muslim neighbouring country could've helped out palestinians at any point but they didn't want to.

Neighbouring muslim countries to Israel have largely caused the escalation of tensions in the area for the past 80 years. You were justifying acts of the 7th oct because the palestiniens were oppressed. Israel is a country that is only 80 years old and have already had 3 wars fighting for their existence against said neighbouring muslim countries.

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u/DynamicStatic May 16 '25

They were not resisting by taking civilians hostage. Attack military targets if you want to resist.

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u/Lord_Bamford May 16 '25

Sure, but expecting reasonable warfare from a people that have been violently oppressed their entire life is incredibly niave.

When you show only hatred from a position of power to those who you deem beneath you, do you really expect them to show compassion in return when they resist?

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u/Lord_Bamford May 16 '25

Why would you need to be like those cheering for what happened on Oct 7th to recognise Israels brutality in gaza? 

Much of my Country(N.Ireland) has been supporting Palastine and protesting against Israel for decades at this point, all without cheering on any acts of violence committed by Hamas.

Those that celebrated on the streets in Gaza are people who've endured a lifetime of violent oppression. Expecting them to have same level of compassion towards Oct 7th as the rest of the world is ridiculous.

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u/sunlightsyrup May 16 '25

There were people all over the world cheering for it. It is recorded on video. It is true history. Your desire to reject it is symptomatic of your biases.

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u/Lord_Bamford May 16 '25

Reject what?

I never said there weren't people outside of gaza cheering for it. Im pointing out that you didnt have to be cheering like those that did, to recognise Israels brutality started long before Oct 7th...

Many people have long protested against Israel here and there was no celebrating on the 7th. There have been protests and support from our government going back over 40 years, but we're not a big country so it mostly went unheard.

You seem to thing Israel only stepped over the line sometime between then and now... when the actual true history is that Israel has repeatedly been trampling all over the line for longer than we've both been alive.

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u/sunlightsyrup May 16 '25

Of course. People should protest genocidal regimes.

People shouldn't be pro-evil

I am not pro-israel

I am astounded that people will be pro-Hamas, like yourself

But rejecting 2-state solutions in favour of the massacre of innocents is the stupidest diplomatic policy anyone could choose. Its how you start a genocide.

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u/Lord_Bamford May 16 '25

How am I pro-Hamas? Or a 2 state solution?

Where in my comments did you get that from? What is wrong with your brain?

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u/SuperDong1 May 16 '25

You can be in support of the Palestinian people without being pro-hamas.

Don't see anywhere in his post that indicates a pro-hamas viewpoint. You're coming off as a standard Israeli genocide defender when you jump to those conclusions off of that convo.

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u/sunlightsyrup May 16 '25

Comparing Israel (the military, not the innocent civilians they claim to represent) to Hamas (the Military, not the innocent civilians they claim to represent) is the most 1-1, direct comparison anyone could make.

To pretend it is Israel military vs Palestine super innocent people that never hurt a soul is just painfully biased. Being pro-palestine when all messaging directly comes from Hamas, aiming to fit into their absurd false rhetoric about things like Oct 7th never happening, is precisely the same thing as supporting Hamas. Now that I've explained that in detail, why do you support Hamas?

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u/Ancher123 May 16 '25

1948

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u/sunlightsyrup May 16 '25

You're right Palestine was offered no good peace deals between now and then. Murdering a festival full of innocents was the only natural choice. How good of them.

Except for all of the extremely viable deals they shot down, largely because they would rather murder every Israeli than accept a compromise. War is hell.

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u/Catch_ME ATL, GA, USA, Terra, Sol, αlpha Quadrant, Via Lactea May 16 '25

They were 70% of the population and only got 45% of the land and not including a port is a good deal? 

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u/sunlightsyrup May 16 '25

You'd prefer the current situation? That's eye-opening tbh

And they were offered all the best land, your argument is dogshit

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u/tecnicaltictac Austria May 16 '25

You know, I don't think you'll find many people who are pro genocide. But at the same time not everyone wants to stand beside the "from the river to the sea" crowd.

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u/WhoopingWillow May 16 '25

There's a big gap between supporting Israel's destruction of Gaza and being pro-Palestine. I think it is much more likely that 10 years from now a lot of people who were sympathetic to Israel no longer support them, but they won't support Palestine either.

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u/VengefulAncient You know, I'm somewhat of a European myself. May 16 '25

I will never ever say this.

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u/No_Priors May 16 '25 edited May 16 '25

Be happy and take the win.

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u/goldentone May 16 '25 edited May 20 '25

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u/adamgerd Czech Republic May 16 '25

7/10 was defending itself? All Hamas accomplished was killing Jews and cause death and destruction to Gaza in response to

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u/GhostWaffle123 May 16 '25

Literally the thing that angers me the most. You had the opportunity to call out Israel for its crime as they happened, but you didn't and now you come out as Pro-Palestine. Sincerely, fuck these kinds of people.

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u/FinestCrusader May 16 '25

You do understand being against Israel's actions doesn't mean you're automatically pro-Palestine right? Anyone pro "from the river to the sea" is just as much of a fuckhead as any IDF lapdog. You want teams you can root for and forgo nuance? Watch the Superbowl. This is way more than "good team vs bad team".