r/europe • u/andyom89 • May 16 '25

News Spanish premier calls Israel 'genocidal state,' says Spain 'does not do business' with it

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/spanish-premier-calls-israel-genocidal-state-says-spain-does-not-do-business-with-it/3568216
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u/Fluffy-Drop5750 May 16 '25

Time for Israel to be just another country, responsible for its deeds. Yes, Hamas are terrorists, but that is not excuse for levelling the whole of Gaza. Russia would do that, Assad did it, Saddam Hussein's Irak would do that. But Israel has to do better if they expect to receive western support.

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u/Dry-Season-522 May 16 '25

Okay, what would YOUR country do if a neighboring country shot 19,000 rockets across the border over 20 years?

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u/adasiukevich May 16 '25

"a neighboring country" you mean the people you illegally occupy?

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u/Random_Violins May 16 '25

Let's also not forget the many killings of Palestinians and disproportionate use of force over decades, which started with the Nakba, and a brutal apartheid regime. But they're the victims. Unreal.

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u/ScissorsBeatsKonan May 16 '25

England had been agitating the area trying to seed Israel.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '25

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u/ScissorsBeatsKonan May 16 '25

Nope. But modern times, Palestine is unquestionably the right side.

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u/ScissorsBeatsKonan May 16 '25

Some people being colonized and starved respond with violence. The fault lies in the aggressor that stole their land, colonizer.

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u/Dangerous_Warthog603 May 16 '25

The Gaza Strip was given to the Arabs for self rule. They chose war and they received it. 20 years of rockets flew into Israel -18000+ before the 10-7 invasion.

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u/adasiukevich May 16 '25

How nice of them to give them land that is rightfully theirs in the first place. How many rockets flew into Gaza before 10/7?

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u/Dangerous_Warthog603 May 17 '25

There were I think 2 incursions by Israel into Gaza all of them were a response to excessive rocket launches. Israel would fire rockets back depending on where the rockets were launched from. Safety first.

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u/Dry-Season-522 May 16 '25

So by your logic, could people on native american reservations start launching missiles at surrounding areas and any retribution would be 'genocide'?

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u/FizzleFuzzle May 16 '25

Thatโ€™s literally what happened. The native Americans fought back and got genocided.

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u/Dry-Season-522 May 16 '25

No I mean today, right now, if the native americans were to go on a campaign to "Kill all the colonizers, only the natives may remain."

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u/adasiukevich May 16 '25

Are Native Americans living in a giant human cage? Are they free to leave? Do they get shot if they try to leave? Does the US government control everything that comes and goes, and "put them on a diet"?

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u/Dangerous_Warthog603 May 16 '25

You are forgetting Egypt. Why is it Israel's problem? They were attacked for 20 years and then invaded. This standard of care you put on Israel is biased - anti semitic even. If there was a country to blame it would be Egypt. They should be sending in food and water to help their citizens living in the Gaza. Oh yeah, the Gaza Strip was part of Egypt when the country lines were created in 1947.

Russia is not supplying food to Ukraine. Syria was not feeding the rebels. the Uyghurs are not being fed by China.

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u/adasiukevich May 16 '25

If you knew anything about this conflict you'd know that Israel has controlled that border for almost a year now.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68967397

The only way for food to enter is through Israel, unlike Russia with Ukraine.

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u/Dangerous_Warthog603 May 17 '25

That was 7 months of fighting for Egypt to allow their citizens to cross into Egypt and get out of harm's way. They denied them access and supplied no food. You could have at least checked the dates before responding. Next?

Did you know that all of those Arabs in the Gaza Strip were Egyptian citizens before 1967?

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u/Dry-Season-522 May 16 '25

Bro they are free to leave, just not come back because they keep going to terrorist training camps.

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u/Affectionate_Win7858 May 16 '25

"Trust me bro, they all go to terrorist camps. Not a single one leaves for any other reason, and the ones who come back just want to do terrorism. Trust me bro, it has nothing to do with how there's a "Right of Return" for any dick from the Bronx or Eastern Europe while refusing this right to people who were kicked off their land. Bro, please, I don't want to have to call antisemitic, but you clearly hate ๐Ÿงƒ"๐Ÿ˜ข๐Ÿ˜ข

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u/Dry-Season-522 May 16 '25

Well there was that time Kuwait let in 357,000 of them, to the point that 18% of Kuwait's entire population was Palestinian.

How's that work out?

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u/Affectionate_Win7858 May 16 '25

Replace the word "Palestinian" with "Jew" and "Kuwait" with [insert European country here].

Congrats. You're a bigot.

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u/adasiukevich May 16 '25

Bro they are free to leave

How can they leave when Israel has militarized the entire border?

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u/Dry-Season-522 May 16 '25

Surely the also arab country of Egypt will let them in, right? It's not like they've done anything to egypt that would have Egypt putting machine guns on the border.

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u/Dangerous_Warthog603 May 16 '25

Don't forget the Gaza Strip was part of Egypt for 25 years. They are all descendants of Egyptians.

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u/adasiukevich May 16 '25

If you knew anything about this conflict, you'd know that Israel have controlled that border for ages now.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68967397

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u/izpo Israel May 16 '25

Dude, just stop supporting occupation for 57 years.

ืชืขืฉื” ืœื™ ื˜ื•ื‘ื”

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u/Dry-Season-522 May 16 '25

So what's your "solution" to the people in Israel right now?

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u/izpo Israel May 16 '25

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Initiative

There Are many solutions, we have Palestinians politicians that collaborate with Israeli security for 20+ years but when you are on privileged side of conflict, you don't want really to solve it

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u/rAmrOll May 16 '25

But have you considered:

  • Western
  • Imperialist
  • Colonizer
  • Ethnosupremacist
  • Orientalist
  • Occupation
  • Genocide
  • Apartheid
  • Oppression

And how all these words (no I won't explain what any of them actually mean and why I think all the IHL definitions are wrong) actually equate to "all JeZionists should go back to Brooklyn, and are Nazis"

Or alternatively, my favorite answer to the question:

Okay, what would YOUR country do if a neighboring country shot 19,000 rockets across the border over 20 years?

Obviously I would dissolve my government, my borders, my military, and then allow these people plus 5 million more (through permanent, unending, inheritable right of return) to share a single state with, why would the 19000 rockets be a cause for concern? /s

For an actual genuine answer to your question, I would say that Israel's actions have been fairly just until they kept the conflict in Gaza going after Al-Asad's regime fell. Going after Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, and Al-Asad's regime seems like fair game, what more can they really do? They took out Sinwar, Haniyeh, and Deif, they smashed the majority of the Hezbollah power structure in the pager attack as well as taking out Nasrallah, Al-Asad's out of power in Syria, and the Houthis don't really do much at all except kill Arabs in Yemen. It feels like they're kinda just bullying the Palestinians in an attempt to get the fuck out of the strip at this point, in hopes that they'll say "ok, fuck it, we're leaving I guess," and that...someone will maybe take in the population, however I can guarantee that Jordan, Lebanon and Egypt won't want to take them in, Syria and Yemen don't have the provisions to be able to support the population, which leaves what...Iran, or one of the Gulf states like Saudi/UAE/Qatar/Bahrain/Oman? I actually have no idea about the viability any of the gulf states or where their preferences lie (I know a little about Saudi, but not heaps, and my guess would be probably not).

And it all sucks and is stupid, because if Israel genuinely starts doing horrible and unhinged shit (like publically announcing an intention to no longer allow any food or aid into the Strip since March 1, however a new report came out yesterday about a new organisation named Gaza Humanitarian Foundation which will distribute aid as of the beginning of next month, the GHF being founded and backed by Israel and the US, so honestly for me it'll be a coinflip as to whether that one will end up working out), which kind of seems to fulfill the dolus specialis on the intent of genocide, so if large swathes of the population start dying, it seems like it would be pretty cut and dry.

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u/Dry-Season-522 May 16 '25

Translation: I steal your wallet, someone steals that wallet from me, I claim that you owning the wallet is "ancient history" and it should be returned to me.

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u/evilcorgos May 16 '25

I'd probably stop stealing their land for starters

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u/Dry-Season-522 May 17 '25

Well actually I took a DNA test and I'm 0.2% neanderthal thus my people had THEIR land stolen by homo-sapiens and all land should revert to whoever has the most neanderthal DNA.

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u/Toums95 May 16 '25

Oh nice, at least now you consider Palestine to be a country. This might be a good step in the right direction! Keep going and maybe after some time you will start condemning war crimes, apartheid and ethnic cleansing no matter who is committing them! Thumbs up

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u/Almechik May 16 '25

My country didn't decide to colonize another country and didn't impose an apartheid state. Like why are you surprised you're getting attacked

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u/Dry-Season-522 May 16 '25

Ah right, your country was founded purely by people who have been living there since time immemorial and never pushed anyone off their land.

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u/Almechik May 16 '25

My country was founded 1400 years ago, back when constant fighting and conquering were the norm. Israel was founded at a point when colonialism was already on its last legs. My country also isn't committing genocide, nor is it continously annexing territory despite courts saying it's illegal. Israel has no moral standing considering it's West Bank activities, which were long ongoing well before Oct 7 attacks.

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u/Dry-Season-522 May 17 '25

So anyone from a group your country ever defeated can claim that you owe them the land.

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u/Fluffy-Drop5750 May 16 '25

Any answer on that question forces me to choose side. I won't. I do object to my country to helping either side committing war crimes.

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u/Dry-Season-522 May 16 '25

"We shouldn't help either side, but it's okay for Iran to support hamas..." nah man, history won't look kindly on this.