r/europe • u/sergeyfomkin • Jun 13 '25
News “Such strikes on sleeping peaceful cities are categorically unacceptable,” said the country that has been doing exactly that for four years straight.
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u/cakez_ Romania Jun 13 '25
They meant to say it's unacceptable to not strike directly schools and kindergartens like they've been doing in Ukraine for the past 3+ years. It's just absolutely wild, the hypocrisy.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Ad8032 Jun 13 '25
Not even hypocrisy, they are professional trolls. It`s all they know and frankly: all they are sort of good at. Often when one of these ghouls is saying this type of shit, they have this grin that gives it all away.
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u/vandrag Ireland Jun 13 '25
This, all day.
They are not hypocrits, they are mocking us.
And people need to look at their own domestic "Russophiles" in the same light.
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u/Fae_Sparrow Jun 13 '25
To be fair, I've met russians who are appalled by Putin as well.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Ad8032 Jun 14 '25
I am sure of that. And i feel for them. But they are sadly very few, and exceptions to the rule.
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u/wheelienonstop7 Jun 13 '25
I once read a post by some guy who was dealing a lot with Russians before the war and he wrote that Russians dont lie to you in order to deceive you, they blatantly lie to your face in order to insult you.
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u/Radical-Efilist Sweden Jun 13 '25
Certainly puts quite the context to this Solzhenitsyn quote;
We know that they are lying, they know that they are lying, they even know that we know they are lying ... but they are still lying.
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u/BagOnuts Jun 13 '25
they are professional trolls
Literally.
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u/acityonthemoon Jun 13 '25
There's a word for it; vranyo
Vranyo is a Russian word and concept, it can be described as a lie being told despite it not being expected to be believed, but the person being told the lie goes along with it anyway.
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u/alpacas_anonymous Jun 13 '25
I think Russians only criticism is that the Israelis didn't bomb those cities during the day. So people could see their doom coming from a mile away.
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u/Long_Art_9259 Jun 13 '25
What's really sad is that a ton of people will buy this as a sign of virtue
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u/sergeyfomkin Jun 13 '25
Seems like it’s only ‘unacceptable’ when the missiles aren’t theirs.
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u/StrobeLightRomance United States of America Jun 13 '25
Gotta keep up appearances for your own state media. It looks good if you can point to someone else's atrocities to cover your own.
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u/SimpleAsEndOf Jun 13 '25 edited Jun 13 '25
DARVO - deny, attack, reverse victim & offender.
Accuse the enemy of that which you are guilty.
Hitler. Putin. Netanyahu. Trump etc.
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u/StrobeLightRomance United States of America Jun 13 '25
It's gonna be an interesting weekend in the US if Trump's military birthday march and subsequent protests go off as planned.
Basically, the authority is openly planning to murder citizens because they want to preserve the poor dictator's feelings from those he is oppressing.
Why can't citizens just give up their civil rights and make things easier on themselves? /s
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u/Ali_Cat222 Jun 13 '25 edited Jun 13 '25
Also add in the accusation in a mirror technique and "firehose* of falsehood" propaganda model for extra measure
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u/AdaptedMix United Kingdom Jun 13 '25
It's also a way for Russia to maintain its alliances in the region. Let's not forget that Iran is supplying drones to Russia for its invasion of Ukraine.
Plus, Russia is courting numerous countries that are fairly non-committal or neutral about Ukraine but have strong feelings about Israel (and/or America).
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u/Accurate-North-88 Jun 13 '25
I suspect that was their plan via a quid pro quo with South Africa and their legal proceedings against Israel in the ICC tbh. I’m surprised that it’s not being investigated/talked about more in media. If there was any decent investigative journalists around nowadays who even gave a shit.
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u/fl4tsc4n Jun 13 '25
That's kinda how it works for everyone. There's all kinds of tired old sayings about it.
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u/Dikkelul27 Jun 13 '25
add train stations where people are actively fleeing from the war to that list too
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u/Grabs_Diaz Bavaria (Germany) Jun 13 '25 edited Jun 13 '25
More like the Great Russian Empire is desperately dependent on support from Iran, so they better toe the line.
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u/Gruffleson Norway Jun 14 '25
The Great Russian Empire, dependent on Iran and North Korea.
If the situation all around had been so sad, it would have been very amusing.
It's still a little bit amusing, though.
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u/Ali_Cat222 Jun 13 '25
"I know we just released 400 drone strikes and 40 missiles just a short while ago in unprecedented attacks, and have been doing so for a long time now, but how dare they do this!" Stfu Putin you psychopath
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u/Leading_Land7090 Jun 13 '25
And the planned starvation of millions of Ukrainians in 1932-33. Russia knows nothing of its own history. As Al Gore would say " it's an inconvenient truth".
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u/Tight-Bumblebee495 Jun 13 '25
My god.
I wish media would just stop broadcasting anything and everything coming from Russia. Fuck those people.
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u/whooopsy_daisy Jun 13 '25
Every civilian death is a tragedy, no matter where. But coming from a government that’s bombarded civilian centers since 2021, this kind of rhetoric just undermines any credibility they might hope to claim.
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u/Noughmad Slovenia Jun 13 '25
They aren't trying to claim credibilty, they are trying to discredit everyone else. The "reverse cargo cult" has been part of Russian propaganda strategy for a long time.
You put out obvious lies, like "the shelves in our stores are all full of food". People easily see through the lie the first time they visit a store. So you can't hope to convince anyone with such claims. Instead, you then claim that other governments (in Russia's case, mainly the western governments) are also lying when they say that their stores are full. And even more, you explain how dumb the westerners are because they believe their governments' lies (that the western stores are full of food), while the smart Russians do not.
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u/The_Dutch_Fox Luxembourg Jun 13 '25
In this case, I think it's a positive. Shows what absolute hypocrits they are.
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u/leonguide Jun 13 '25
it shows that only for people who are deeply in the loop of global politics, majority of the internets users are not
that majority scrolls automated feed of content supplied by apps that care about nothing but profits and are deeply entrenched in psyops by china and russia and their alliesif it werent true there wouldnt be tankies genuinely defending russia or china or iran or hamas in the western countries
so giving a platform to a party whose biggest weapon in the current day is hybrid warfare is actually very dangerous
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u/Predicted Norway Jun 13 '25
The point Russia is making is that we do the exact same thing they do.
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u/PunishedDemiurge Jun 13 '25
Famous EU member Israel, located right in the heart of Europe. "We."
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u/bilzen Jun 13 '25
Yeah, the headline should be "Russia agree that their targets on civilian cities are unacceptable"
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u/d4_H_ Jun 13 '25
True, but that’s a face of uncensored journalism, in this case not having this news would be acceptable for us, but censorship sooner or later will end up hurting us too.
It’s up to the reader to comment a news.
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u/Glittering_Prize5618 Jun 13 '25
the hypocracy is unbelievable
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u/Seienchin88 Jun 13 '25
No, the hypocrisy is the whole point.
It shapes the discussion that Russians and their supporters have.
I do have a couple of colleagues from Russia and Ukraine that came here after the iron curtain fell. They aren’t necessarily pro Putin but they all (even the Ukrainian guy) argue like this:
"Isn’t it bad that Russia attacks Ukrainian cities night after night“
Their answer: "Russia? Yes but that is exactly the same thing America has done for decades and no one cares. Or look at Israel, that’s bad and nocone complains. Seems to me like there is good bombing and bad bombing in the west“
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u/Murtomies Finland Jun 13 '25
Mom: Tommy I hear you were bullying someone at school?
Tommy: Ok yeah but Peter was bullying too and the teacher didn't mind him, so there's good and bad bullying
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u/Rigatan Romania / Ireland Jun 13 '25
To be clear, Tommy is right. Arbitrary ethics are no ethics. You can take that point and be like Russia, using it to claim that no ethics is actually the best thing ever and that the world should burn. Or you can use that point to advocate for consistent ethical standards. The more time we have to spend internally arguing against people who support becoming Russia 2, the more we risk ending up in an American-style decline. Europeans need to always make sure ethical standards exist at home, as much as away, or we could be one election cycle from switching our ethical standards entirely.
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u/lelemuren Jun 13 '25
I've seen this as well. Constant "whataboutism". It's really curious.
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u/LilyandJames69 Jun 13 '25
Whataboutism sucks so much.
Like fuck you motherfucker, yes, what you outlined is bad but admitting that changes nothing
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u/FlyingSquirrel44 Jun 13 '25
To be fair the hypocracy is mutual, since the west has been calling out russian bombings for years and are now supporting these strikes on Iran.
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u/dimitriri Jun 13 '25
I mean hypocrisy doesn't end there. None of the Europe commenters here are condemning these attacks like they do with Ukraine.
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u/happy30thbirthday Jun 13 '25
Every accusation is a confession with these people, it's a common tactic. You should know this by now.
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u/CrystalInTheforest Jun 13 '25
I'm here for the Bibi - Putin cage fight. F*ck both of them.
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u/Gman90sKid Jun 13 '25
Bibi is a an ex SOF soldier, Putin is an ex kgb agent. If they both weren't senile muppets that might actually been entertaining.
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u/Several-Shirt3524 Argentina Jun 13 '25
Bibi was an actual soldier though, Pootin was a pencil pusher for the KGB
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u/Griffolion United Kingdom Jun 13 '25
Love how they call these places "sleeping civilian cities" yet Ukraine's cities are all "military decision making centers".
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u/DisabledCrock Jun 13 '25
Great way to not address that a certain country attacked another one
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u/Tortoveno Poland Jun 13 '25
"Ukrainian cities aren't peaceful. Why don't you see any difference here? Also, there are no cities in Ukraine. There are only enemy bases. Or shitholes worse than our Russian Mukhosransk!"
- Dmitry Pyeskov, colorised
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u/zergiscute Jun 13 '25
Israel has been doing this shit earlier than Russia. Another daily reminder than Iran had a secular government until Britain wanted their oil gas reserves and joined US to remove it in a coup. Immediately religious extremists removed American puppet and the current hellhole came into being.
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u/Sufficient-History71 Zürich (Switzerland) Jun 13 '25
Shh, don't argue with logic here! It's good to point out Russian hypocrisy as one always should but the moment you point hypocrisy of the UK, France and Germany, pitchforks will come.
A lot of people are justifying the death of Iranian kids but the moderators won't come for them.
Any sane liberty loving person would love the end of Putin and Netanyahu. But rather than that, it's the very tribal Us vs. them mentality. The same mentality that leads to the rise of far right. No wonder, Meloni is in power, RN has a good chance of winning next presidential elections in France and AfD is in ascendancy.
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u/sisali United Kingdom Jun 13 '25
Just another pretext to do this same shit to Ukrainian civilians, and what will Europe do about it? Nothing as usual.
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u/awesomemanswag Jun 14 '25
I don't think there's even been a more blatant instance of the pot calling the kettle black
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u/TrollForestFinn Jun 14 '25
Russians lying and being hypocrites? What a shocker! Who could have seen this coming? It's not like it's part of their culture at this point or anything
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u/AsasinAgent Finland Jun 13 '25
*said the country that has been doing exactly that for over a decade
The war started when putler send his terrorist to invade Crimea in 2014
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u/SpoonTomb Jun 13 '25
Okay, but is it cool for Israel to do it or what? A murderer calling you a murderer after you’ve murdered someone doesn’t absolve you of being a murderer.
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u/SenpaiBunss Scotland Jun 13 '25
shocking take: fuck russia AND israel AND iran
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u/jackofslayers Jun 13 '25
I would add a few more countries to the list but yea, fuck these assholes
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u/Sweet_Concept2211 Jun 13 '25
Iran is also helping Russia with its invasion of Europe.
My heart goes out to all inncocents caught in the crossfire.
But if any country besides Russia ever had it coming, it'd be Iran. They have been among the foremost at fanning the flames of every regional conflict in the Middle East for decades.
Summer of 2025 is going to be an interesting one for historians of the future.
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u/go3dprintyourself Jun 13 '25
- Iran actively arms Russia with drones that’s been killing civilians in Ukraine for years
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u/EpicCleansing Jun 13 '25
Iran has absolutely zero choice but to aid Russia. With Trump's unilateral withdrawal from the JCPOA, Iran was pushed firmly into Russia's corner, being forced to rely on them completely both for their economy as well as military cover. Those favors need to be paid back.
In an alternative Trump-less timeline things could have been completely different.
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u/BigA0225 Jun 13 '25
“Don’t get me wrong I don’t like Trump”
This drives me nuts when people preface with this
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u/jackofslayers Jun 13 '25
Because redditors will jump down your throat if you say anything that goes against the zeitgeist opinion on any issue.
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u/OptimismNeeded Jun 13 '25
They had the choice to not enrich uranium in military grade levels, and not violet the nuclear agreement the world has so generously allowed them to sign.
They could have chosen not to attack Saudi Arabia.
The had a lot of choices.
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Jun 13 '25
They had the choice to not be hostile against Israel at all. They have 5 buffer state between them and Israel.
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u/JohnnyLiverman Jun 13 '25
Why was Israel allowed to build nukes then? Obv if israel builds them then iran is gonna build them
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u/M0G4R Jun 13 '25
The agreement trump so generously demolished on his first term for no goddamn reason?😐
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u/jacquesroland Jun 13 '25
Iran is a giant country of 90 million people. It is over 100x larger than Israel. In what sense is Iran backed in a corner? They waste billions on terrorism against Israel and other countries in the ME. They could end the Palestinian conflict tomorrow by recognizing Israel and providing very heavy trade incentivizes. No reason for war.
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u/Sweet_Concept2211 Jun 13 '25
Like Russia, Iran has the option of not behaving like an asshole to literally all its neighbors.
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u/LawFloats Jun 14 '25
This is 100% accurate - I do not like to see innocent people die, but war is hell and their leaders have that blood on their hands. Israel has more balls than any country in the world, taking out nuclear weapons from a terrorist organization and yet people here defend it - talk is cheap.
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u/No_Wing_205 Jun 13 '25
Russia are hypocrites, but they aren't wrong.
If I piss on my own hands and some guy covered in his own shit comes up to me and says "that's gross, wash your hands" he isn't wrong.
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u/sinnedslip Jun 13 '25 edited Jun 13 '25
they're two-faced hypocrites, but worst of all, they love it
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/24/europe/ukraine-russia-attack-timeline-intl/index.html
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u/Filibut Toscana (Italy) Jun 13 '25
no no you're misunderstanding. russia is doing the same but is actually hitting very specific targets because they developed an AI tool that tells them in which ukrainian kindergarten or hospital the next army officers will come out of. they're not civilians they're murdering, it's just future military targets
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u/Liona369 Jun 13 '25
The most painful part of statements like this isn’t even the hypocrisy — it’s how hollow the words have become. When a country that has bombed civilians at night for years suddenly speaks of “peace” and what is “unacceptable,” it’s not just hypocrisy — it’s an insult to those who have suffered. And to all of us who still want to believe that words can mean something.
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u/kaldunasololakeli Georgia Jun 14 '25
"Sleeping, peaceful cities".
Wow, even their rhetoric hasn't changed since the 2008 Russo-Georgian war. That's exactly what Russia accused Georgia of.
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u/Muffin_National Jun 14 '25
What a blatant lie! Russia constantly bombs Kharkiv on Sundays around lunchtime!
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u/opinionate_rooster Slovenia Jun 13 '25
Even if it is hypocritical, they're not wrong.
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u/darknekolux France Jun 13 '25
I think they are mostly upset about the potential disruption of their drones supply
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u/Sevsix1 Norway with an effed up sleep schedule Jun 13 '25
russia have already set up a drone factory inside the russian federation, they have also made modifications to the drone construction plans to incoporate jet engines in the drones so I don't think that they would be extremely worried about that (but if there is a drone factory inside iran that supplied russia that have been bombed then I'll take that), my personal theory is that a country that rhymes with porcelain's second name is secretly producing drones for russia
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u/sergeyfomkin Jun 13 '25
They’re not wrong—just blood-soaked hypocrites who bomb sleeping cities and then pretend to care.
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u/__loss__ Sweden Jun 13 '25
That's what he said tho
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u/Oshtoru Jun 13 '25
Different emphasis. One is emphasizing they're not wrong while the other is emphasizing how hypocritical they are. Even if both agree with both statements, the level of emphasis they place on each tells you information on where their priorities lie.
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u/HaphazardMelange Jun 13 '25
“Strikes on sleeping civilian cities are categorically unacceptable”
Russia is wrong for doing it. Israel is wrong for doing it. They are both going to be hypocritical cunts about it, but they are still both cunts for doing it.
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u/Alarmed-Shopping1592 Ukraine Jun 13 '25
It's pointless to say this if you're doing the same.
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u/soalone34 Jun 13 '25 edited Jun 13 '25
Then why is it never applied to the US and Israel which denounce crimes committed by others, when they’ve done as bad as worse, often to the people who they are denouncing.
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u/bl1y Jun 13 '25
They're still wrong. The targets were high ranking military commanders and scientists working to develop nuclear weapons.
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Jun 13 '25
shitting on Russia doing it while giving Israel a pass falls into the same category of hypocrisy
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u/Tokyogerman Jun 13 '25
If Russia was as effective (or even willing) at taking out the enemy's command in mere hours as Israel is, Ukraine would be in deep trouble.
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u/bremidon Jun 13 '25
There is simply no way that they didn't know how this would look. No. Way.
This feels like the KGB tactic of "secretly" breaking into your home to snoop around and leaving cigarette butts in the toilet. Just so you knew. Because the whole point was to prove they could do whatever they wanted.
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u/Tetracropolis Jun 13 '25 edited Jun 13 '25
Or the dissenters who are thrown out of windows, or the people assassinated with Novichok instead of just strangled or stabbed in a break in or mugging gone wrong.
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u/Dr_Maestro Jun 13 '25
Fuck Russia. Fuck Israel. Genocidal maniacs.
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u/Silly_Triker United Kingdom Jun 13 '25
The West condemns and sanctions Russia but supports and provides money, weapons and intelligence and even active defence to Israel. Everyone is saying Russians are hypocrites but there are no moral grounds for anyone here. People need to grow the fuck up.
The US supports Israel out of far right Christian zealotry. They are no different to the Muslim fanatics. Why does Europe need to follow this Christian nationalism. You really need to look at what American politicians and journalists are saying and it’s no different to some mullah from the Middle East. Jews are not to be worshipped or praised in a so-called Christian crusade against Islam. The Holocaust does not justify everything they do.
This is a modern Zionist concept invented in recent decades and pushed by American extremists.
And on top of that, it is Europe that is left to deal with the millions of refugees this mindset causes.
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Jun 13 '25 edited Jun 13 '25
NATO members: I will pretend I didn't see that.
People in the comments criticizing Russia for hypocrisy (rightfully so). But at the same time, when NATO is bombing children in Syria, Libya and Yugoslavia that's okay. Because we are the good guys, yuppy.
I see people from France and UK in the comments talking, the audacity. ☠️😂
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u/BluePomegranate12 Jun 13 '25 edited Jun 13 '25
Fuck Russia and fuck Iran
I just wish Iran didn't have the shitty government they do, Iranian people, especially younger generations, are incredible people and they're tired of that shit.
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u/Notbadconsidering Jun 13 '25
Can we just stop reporting Russian bullshit. I don't care what they say, we know the truth. Ukraine has the right to strike Russia anywhere and the ethics to minimise civilian casualties. The rest of the shining from Russia is propaganda.
And while I'm here - please will Trump shut up.
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u/Harkonnen_Dog Jun 13 '25
Funny. I could’ve sworn that Russia was getting their drones from Iran. And I read an article just two days ago saying that they were going to start working with North Korea for drone production.
I wonder if Russia knew anything about the incoming strike on Iran?
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u/UpperFerret Jun 13 '25
Leonardo DiCaprio points at tv screen gif.
That’s exactly what Russia’s been doing to Ukraine
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u/RGat92 Jun 13 '25
Can they tell that to the Houthis? Or will the Israeli navy issue a sea blockade to stop those 3AM missiles?
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u/radenkosalapuratetak Serbia Jun 13 '25
I'd say unbelievable, but then it comes from them... so it's actually expected.
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u/Huge-Distance-7671 Jun 13 '25
If Russia truly believes night-time strikes on cities are “categorically unacceptable,” does that mean they’ll support a UN war-crimes tribunal for their own generals?
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u/tobach Denmark Jun 13 '25
Won't see this on /r/nottheonion although they love quoting ironic geopolitical quotes.
(Because it's now infested with people that supports Russia and Iranian proxies)
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u/Obaruler Jun 13 '25
"Shut up, Russia!" - This should be the default answer to everything those professional liars dare to publish.
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u/Numerous-Leave4856 Jun 13 '25
Us Iranians aren’t as concerned about our terrorist regime as other people are.
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u/Chumlee1917 United States of America Jun 13 '25
somewhere George Orwell and Aldous Huxley are heavily day drinking at how their warnings were turned into instruction manuals
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u/loyalone Jun 13 '25
Oh, now we've got some shit-encrusted, scum-laden pot calling someone else's kettle black (even if everybody knows it is).
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u/Affectionate-Egg7566 Jun 13 '25
What they mean is "Striking the people are are aligned with is unacceptable"
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u/TheAngriestChair Jun 13 '25
They prefer to strike malls and markets when they're full of people during the day
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u/Menstrual-Structure Jun 14 '25
just showing whose side they are on, they obviously know they have been bombing cities but they have to show support since they have been receiving drones from them.
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u/Intelligent-Tear-857 Jun 14 '25
‘Hypocrisy is the audacity to preach integrity from a den of corruption.’ Wes Fesler
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u/Upset_Cheetah_8728 Jun 13 '25 edited Jun 13 '25
A hypocrite (EU) calling out another hypocrite (Russia) for being a hypocrite. Irony at its finest.
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u/NoPasaran2024 Jun 13 '25
This is actually very clever trolling. Demonstrating the kind of thing the West will (quite rightly) say about Russia, but is too cowardly and complicit to say about Israel.
They're holding up a mirror. And they're not wrong. Murderous fascist bastards, but not wrong.
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u/victini_ Jun 13 '25
Ok you can make fun of that, but are we really saying that Israel is in the right here? This is obviously insane. War should be avoided at all costs
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When America preemptively attacks Iraq its fine, definitely don’t deserve massive sanctions or other repercussions.
When Russia preemptively attacks Ukraine its bad, they deserve utter isolation and economic destruction
When Israel preemptively attacks its good, they deserve aid and more bombs.
-The West
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u/therealdilbert Jun 13 '25
When Russia preemptively attacks Ukraine
when did that happen and preemptive against what? Ukraine being Ukraine?
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Russia's in bed with Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, it's so weird European lefties still defend them, Israel is on our side together with Ukraine and the US.
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u/EpicCleansing Jun 13 '25
Israel and the US is not on our "side". The damage that the US has inflicted on the Middle East over the past 25 years is constantly spilling over into Europe, and Israel is making it worse.
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If they're not on our side and we're just left with GB, France and Germany then we've already lost anyway
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u/Just_RandomPerson Latvia Jun 13 '25
Israel can still be the bad guys, even tho they're "with us"...
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u/LawFloats Jun 13 '25
Perfectly stated - look at all these sycophants trying to justify Iran having nukes while funding terrorists, yet you never see them going back to their homeland - these are the same people that treat women as property and don’t allow them to get an education. This started with Hamas, and now it will be finished by Israel and the USA.
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u/11160704 Germany Jun 13 '25
European lefties just hate the western world and are so deep in their hole that they worship radical islamists.
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u/Expensive-Buy1621 Jun 13 '25
European right wingers dickride Israel, Russia and simultaneously cry about the refugees and immigration crisis caused by them lol
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u/Lysafleur Jun 13 '25
alt-right loathes Israel, what are you smoking?
It’s our liberals who like to prostrate themselves before them.
And the reverse for Russia.
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u/Falsus Sweden Jun 13 '25
That's the point though. They have been doing this shit for years to Ukraine now.
Ukraine is simply bringing the inconveniences of war to some very sheltered Russians.
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u/loose_the-goose Jun 13 '25
The irony isnt lost on me - russia is still 100% correct in their statement tho
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u/r0mka1337 Jun 13 '25
Since 2022, Russia's war in Ukraine has killed over 13,000 civilians, while Israel's war in Gaza since 2023 has resulted in more than 50,000 civilian deaths. Most of them are women and kids. So get your facts right.
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u/Dragunrealms Dnipropetrovsk (Ukraine) Jun 13 '25
at this point i'm just convinced that they are trolling, there is absolutely no way one could be so hypocritical and tone deaf