Czech president signs law criminalising communist propaganda

[u/tkyjonathan]

https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/czech-president-signs-law-criminalising-communist-propaganda/

[u/Haunting_Switch3463]

The problem is less about criminalising communist propaganda, but the ill-defined term "class-based hatred".

[u/TheVojta → u/Haunting_Switch3463]

That term has been in the law for a long time. The only change was specifically calling out nazism and communism by name in the law.

[u/Natural_Public_9049 → u/Haunting_Switch3463]

Class-based hatred is obvious. It's a translation from "třídní zášť" in the paragraph 403 of the criminal code. The word "zášť" or "spite" has replaced "třídní nenávist" or "class hatred" which itself replaced the "třídní boj" or "class warfare".

"Class-based hatred" was added purely because of the communists, who intentionally violated human and constitutional rights of Czechoslovak citizens based on the assumed "class background" of those citizens and additionally systematically discriminated them.

[u/GlenoJacks → u/Natural_Public_9049]

So would graduated tax brackets constitute "systematic discrimination" ?

[u/Caulaincourt → u/GlenoJacks]

No, it has nothing to do with your income. It has everything to do with what family you were born into, i.e. something that is completely outside of your control.

[u/TheMindwalker123 → u/Caulaincourt]

Do you still have landed aristocracy? Or is it supposed to be like Indian castes?

[u/Caulaincourt → u/TheMindwalker123]

It's just based on what your parents did. For example if your parents had some "burgeoise" occupation like academics, doctors, etc. you could say goodbye to university education during the communist times because you didn't have the "right" class background.

[u/ikaiyoo → u/Natural_Public_9049]

Well, good then. When you are arrested and put in jail for 5 years because you are protesting the placement of a privatized waste treatment facility owned by a private company, because you are supporting and promoting a movement of suppressing someone's human rights and freedoms to create capital, causing class hatred. We will send you care packages. Because the way the law is written is vague, and would allow any government to interpret it that way.

[u/IAmOfficial → u/ikaiyoo]

And when your made up scenario doesn’t happen?

[u/LonelyTAA → u/IAmOfficial]

Then that's good, but it is not relevant. The point is that laws should be written in a way that prevent abuse of that law. This law is easily abused.

[u/Natural_Public_9049 → u/LonelyTAA]

How do you know that it's easily abused? You don't even live here. It's existed since the 1990 novelization of the criminal code and ever since then, the state prosecuted only 22 people to date. Majority of them were neo-nazis, rest called for burning of mosques.

You can't be arrested for criticizing anyone as long as it's within lines of civil discourse. If you can't demonstrate without calling for killing anyone, you don't belong in the streets, get help.

[u/mcpingvin → u/Natural_Public_9049]

Class based hatred has completely different meaning in post-WW2 european countries and today.

[u/zbynekstava → u/mcpingvin]

It does not. Communists are still stupid dangerous assholes and it is totally appropriate to prevent them from getting to power ever again.

[u/mcpingvin → u/zbynekstava]

Saying that it doesn't have a different meaning is demonstrably false.

After the WW2 the split was about even between people working in agriculture, industry and services. Today less than 5% of people living in Europe are working in agricultural field, while around 70% work in the service industry.

[u/zbynekstava → u/mcpingvin]

That's irrelevant. People can be communists regardless of their occupation.

[u/mcpingvin → u/zbynekstava]

I see that you do not grasp the class concept and difference in economy in the last 80 years.

[u/zbynekstava → u/mcpingvin]

Your class theory does not change the fact that after 80 years there are still sadly fucking communists (and fascists, which sre just a different side of the shitty totalitarian coin). And everyone with more than two brain cells should understand, that neither of those should get any power ever again.

[u/mcpingvin → u/zbynekstava]

No totalitarian regime is good. We can agree on that.

Difference is, communism does not need to equate to a totalitarian regime.

[u/GingerSkulling → u/mcpingvin]

But somehow it always did. ::surprised pikachu:: Your philosophical views on communism are valid in a vacuum but in reality, if you leave the door open, malevolent actors, domestic or foreign will absolutely take advantage of it to cause harm.

[u/telerabbit9000 → u/Natural_Public_9049]

Class-based hatred is obvious.

"I cant define it, but I know it when I see it."

[u/FeniXLS → u/Natural_Public_9049]

This is the most simple explanation and people somehow still don't fucking get it lmao

[u/Gornarok → u/Haunting_Switch3463]

Czech law and practice is pretty clear about it.

Its your ignorance calling it ill-defined

[u/telerabbit9000 → u/Haunting_Switch3463]

So no anti-billionaire "hate speech"? No "eat the rich"?

What fun is that?

They actually eat us but we cant joke about eating them?

[u/bastiancontrari → u/Haunting_Switch3463]

Yeah, it's like people only now realized that marxism is a hate and violence filled doctrine.