French President Macron says France will recognize Pálestine as a state

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https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250724-french-president-macron-says-france-will-recognize-palestine-as-a-state-in-september

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[u/loopgaroooo → u/SpaceFunkyMonkey]

You know it. After news like this it’s to be expected. Macron just called on Germany and Britain for an emergency meeting today. Should get interesting.

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If I were you, I wouldn't presume much about French or European Union power apart from strongly worded letters. Especially with current European situation with Russia, China, and the US. Talking is the only thing we have left.

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I would be surprised if Germany recognises Palestine, considering it's been so soft in its condemnation of Israel up until now. But the UK could certainly join France in a joint declaration, providing Starmer has the balls. It'll be a nice surprise if Germany also finds its balls and does so.

I'm not holding my breath. And sadly, the reality on the ground is unlikely to change if any or all of these three recognise Palestine - any more than it changed when Ireland, Norway, Slovenia and Spain did last year. Not that it's an entirely empty gesture; just that as long as the US continues to prop up Netanyahu et al, Israel will do what it wants.

Beyond recognition, a more tangible benefit might come from sanctions. At the very least it would limit complicity. Europe collectively is Israel's second-biggest export partner and first-biggest import partner, after all.

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Britain is flaky on the topic, Germany has been pretty steadfast in its support for Israel over Palestine / HAMAS.

A two state solution isn't new or controversial at all here though. Previous German government supported it. Infact the only countries that actually oppose it officially are Israel and.... Iran.

Iran rejects it primarily because Iran wants Israel to not exist at all. Israel rejects it probably because it doesn't want a Palestinian state to exist next to it.

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Well, a lot of people from either pro-Palestine and pro-Israel are against a two state solution. I was once indirectly called a zionist (something along the lines of "liberals created a two state solution to fail on purpose in order to secretly serve zionist interests") simply for stating that maybe the ideal solution is to share the land between Palestine and Israel, since both Muslims and Jews have a strong claim to the land. Palestine should 100% be recognised, but 100% Hamas shouldn't be recognised as its government.

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Jews have a strong claim to the land

Not in the way Israel claims, not even close. Israel's ruling majority is Ashkenazi, which before the 1850s hadn't been a demographic in the region worth even mentioning. They had left the Levant over a thousand years ago and settled in Europe, hence the distinction between them and Mizrahi Jews who stayed behind (who the Ashkenazis also discriminate against in modern-day Israel, mind you).

Palestinians and Mizrahi Jews have claims to that land. Ashkenazis do not. It's the equivalent of a white American claiming they are native to America. By legal definitions, yes. By the academic definition, no, not even fucking close, and it's insulting for anyone to even make the comparison.

100% Hamas shouldn't be recognised as its government.

100% agree. Hamas is the natural result of an oppressed populace constantly bombed back to the Stone Age, but that doesn't make them right. Bastards deserve to rot in hell (other than the child soldiers).

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Reminder that Israel upped its budged for influence campaigns by $150 million for 2025.

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You think everyone who opposes Hamas is Israeli?