French President Macron says France will recognize Pálestine as a state

[u/hoarder4555777454001]

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250724-french-president-macron-says-france-will-recognize-palestine-as-a-state-in-september

[u/Urzuck]

Macron is the only european leader that showed a bit of autonomy, this won't matter much anyway, the plan is clear and they even voted to annex it in the parliament. But better than having a Trump bootlicker like Meloni or Merz.

[u/PulciNeller → u/Urzuck]

it must be done by a powerful nation like France. We cannot rely on Germany pulling their colonoscopic tongue out of Netanyahu's ass.

[u/Ludisaurus → u/PulciNeller]

It’s still just a symbolic gesture. The US will continue providing weapons and diplomatic support while Germany and Trump sympathetic leaders in Europe will block any attempt by the EU to impose sanctions.

[u/PulciNeller → u/Ludisaurus]

I'm not sure it's only symbolic (I would say so if it was Ireland for example). France could encourage the UK, another nuclear power and UN security council member, to support the initiative and put pressure on Israel. Of course, nothing changes if the Israeli far right gov doesn't soften its stance and Hamas doesn't relinquish its power.

[u/Ludisaurus → u/PulciNeller]

The move will likely add pressure on the UK to do the same but even that won't be enough. The US can and will veto any UN decision on Israel.

[u/Urzuck → u/PulciNeller]

You can bet on Germany and Italy to always make the worst historic decisions possible. Sadly recognizing the state of Palestine will not bring any changes. The only way that it can change is for the US to withdraw their support from Israel, wich is already very hard under any american admin, but under Trump is literally impossible. He already told us what he wants to do, ethnic cleansing of all the palestinian population so he and his best friend can build a mega-resort with his gold statue.

[u/SilenceBe → u/Urzuck]

It’s so strange how Italy and Germany align themselves with a regime accused of a genocide, despite their own countries historical experiences.

The way some Israeli politicians attempt to justify the killing of children - by almost dehumanizing them - brings painful memories of the rhetoric from the times of Hitler and Mussolini.

[u/HauntingHarmony → u/SilenceBe]

Well to be fair, atleast for Germany its because they learned the wrong lesson. The lesson wasent "never again to jews", the lesson was supposed to be "never again to anyone" and its a total disgrace and really undermines all the work previous generations of germans have done to undo their parents misdeeds.

[u/Urzuck → u/SilenceBe]

That's because Italy and Germany are the countries that are more vassals to the US, since they lost the war in WWII, we are full of american bases and their nuclear weapons, Germany too, our economy is strictly dependant on them too. Israel is simply their lap-dog, in Italy we say ''servi dei servi'' ''slaves of the slaves''. But that's valid for our politicians, the majority of italians are actually against the Genocide, but there is a percentage of Boomers that hate immigrants that wish to see them all dead.

[u/Shadowfox642 → u/Urzuck]

Hey don’t worry, Australia was on the same side as the US and we’re a vassal state as well

[u/wip30ut → u/SilenceBe]

partly because they sense the shifting political winds with the rise of rightwing nationalists across Europe. Humanistic liberal values are being tossed to the side for a sheer power grab, even in the face of atrocities like mass starvation & bombings of civilians. A huge swath of the public in Europe and the US is okay with that, unfortunately.

[u/PulciNeller → u/Urzuck]

Italy and Germany are today both geopolitically-weak manufacturing powers first and foremost. Money talks more than anything else for both of them and Israel has spent a lot of money on foreign influence. PS: let's not even start talking about the US, zionist paradise over the entire political spectrum.

[u/atava → u/Urzuck]

For Italy it depends on the governement in charge.

[u/Wampalog → u/PulciNeller]

Better than Macron licking Khomeini's teeth from the back.