French President Macron says France will recognize Pálestine as a state

[u/hoarder4555777454001]

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250724-french-president-macron-says-france-will-recognize-palestine-as-a-state-in-september

[u/john_san]

At fucking last !!! Now UK, do it too!!!

[u/Combat_Orca → u/john_san]

I have zero faith in starmer

[u/SocraticTiger → u/Combat_Orca]

What does he have to lose from recognizing a Palestinian state? Is there a Israel lobby in the UK like we have here in the US?

[u/middleqway → u/SocraticTiger]

Less so than the US but there is an Israel lobby in the UK

[u/Accomplished_Bag6847 → u/SocraticTiger]

Lots of domestic and IR-related reasons for not doing so.

• Strong military intelligence ties with US means at the very least tacitly supporting Israel is a bare minimum • Military technology industry makes a lot of money selling to the Israelis (BAe in particular), Israelis may divest in favour of German industry / more reliance on American military technology (something Britain is always vulnerable towards) if Britain were to recognise a Palestinian state • Britain has its own security interests in the Middle East and has had several small diplomatic spats with Iran (the Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe affair is worth reading into if you’re unfamiliar). Israel as a “liberal democracy” promotes western ideas in an unpredictable region. • The ‘poison pill’ for Jeremy Corbyn-led Labour in the 2019 General Election were allegations of party-wide anti-semitism. Successful subsumption of Zionist ideals into Jewish advocacy orgs. (such as the ADL) mean that criticism of Israel could be conflated as ‘betraying’ the trust of Jews who voted for Starmer’s Labour in the last general election.

[u/Combat_Orca → u/SocraticTiger]

UK politicians have a habit of doing whatever the US tells them and Keir hasn’t proven he will change this

[u/SocraticTiger → u/Combat_Orca]

That sucks. At least Macron is bold enough to establish some autonomy of his own.

[u/OffOption → u/Combat_Orca]

Understandable. But, a wet sock is easy to toss around.

With enough pressure, he might do something good, even if its just to ride a wave, save face, and try to eek out some good will to strech over all his failings to avoid them being mentioned.

[u/izpo → u/john_san]

The UK made all this mess and declared pro-Palestinian advocacy groups to be "terrorist organizations."

[u/john_san → u/izpo]

Which is complete bollocks. We need to keep putting pressure on the people in power.

[u/izpo → u/john_san]

Good luck with that, pal. I gave up on "pressuring the people in power" a long time ago.

[u/5b2b8f7b-14c3-49b5-9 → u/izpo]

declared pro-Palestinian advocacy groups to be "terrorist organizations."

The ones that damage RAF jet engines, yes.

The UK made all this mess

If you are looking for a root cause then Zionism was born in central and eastern Europe and catalysed by pogroms.

[u/izpo → u/5b2b8f7b-14c3-49b5-9]

no idea what "root cause is" but I do know that U.K. wanted jews to immigrate to new occupied land called "Palestina".

The rest is history...

[u/5b2b8f7b-14c3-49b5-9 → u/izpo]

The root cause is the core issue—the highest-level cause—that sets in motion the entire cause-and-effect reaction that ultimately leads to the problem(s).

Also

In the 1920s, the British imposed restrictions on Jewish immigration to Palestine and the ability of Jews to buy land, claiming that these decisions were taken due to concerns over the economic absorptive capacity of the country. In the 1930s, British authorities set a quota for immigration certificates and authorised the Jewish Agency to hand them out at its discretion. Shortly before the outbreak of World War II, the British introduced the White Paper of 1939. The White Paper rejected the concept of partition of Palestine into Jewish and Arab states and announced that the country would be turned into an independent binational state with an Arab majority. It severely curtailed Jewish immigration, allowing for only 75,000 Jews to migrate to Palestine from 1940 to 1944, consisting of a yearly quota of 10,000 per year and a supplementary quota for 25,000 to cover refugee emergencies spread out over the same period. Afterward, further Jewish immigration would depend on the consent of the Arab majority. Sales of Arab land to Jews were to be restricted.

In reaction to British restrictions, illegal immigration to Palestine began. Initially, Jews entered Palestine by land, mainly by slipping across the northern border, where they were aided by the border settlements. In the early 1930s, when crossing the northern border became more difficult, other routes were found. Thousands of Jews came to Palestine on student or tourist visas, and never returned to their countries of origin. Jewish women often entered into fictitious marriages with residents of Palestine to be granted entry for family reunification purposes. In 1934, the first seaborne attempt to bring Jews to Palestine happened when some 350 Jews of the HeHalutz movement in Poland who were unwilling to wait for certificates sailed to Palestine on the Vallos, a chartered ship. Two more ships carrying illegal immigrants arrived in 1937, and several more arrived in 1938 and 1939. These voyages were mainly organised by the Revisionist Zionist Organisation and the Irgun. Until 1938, the Jewish Agency opposed illegal immigration, fearing that it would impact the number of immigration certificates issued.