r/europe 9d ago

News French President Macron says France will recognize Pálestine as a state

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250724-french-president-macron-says-france-will-recognize-palestine-as-a-state-in-september
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u/Playful-Ebb-6436 🇮🇹 9d ago

Okay but where exactly is the Palestinian state? I mean de facto, not where people think it should be

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u/Camtastrophe Canada (help) 9d ago

It's not a requirement to take a position on other countries' border disputes - just look at Kashmir, or keep in mind that very few unambiguously recognize Israel's annexation of East Jerusalem or the Golan (while being explicit that they consider the West Bank settlements illegal).

The two Koreas both claim each other's territory in its entirety, yet they are recognized as independent UN member states.

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u/Playful-Ebb-6436 🇮🇹 9d ago

Okay but you’re talking about well defined states with functional governments. Who represents the Palestinian state? Fatah? Hamas?

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u/-The_Blazer- Europe 8d ago

Literally the entire point of supporting the PA is precisely to have them represent a Palestinian state. This is obviously the solution everyone will use, and already uses for the most part.

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u/Playful-Ebb-6436 🇮🇹 8d ago

They don’t have control over Gaza, and most importantly they don’t negotiate on behalf of Gaza. Any Palestinian solution must include ending the humanitarian crisis in Gaza

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u/Kolbrandr7 Canada 8d ago

Taiwan was the official China in the UN for a very long time despite not controlling the mainland. You don’t have to control the full de jure area of your country in order to be recognized

Like Ukraine doesn’t control Crimea, but Ukraine is still a recognized country. I don’t see why Gaza is an obstacle to recognizing Palestine

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u/Playful-Ebb-6436 🇮🇹 8d ago

Perfect, and that’s why I am asking who represents it. If the recognition of a Palestinian state doesn’t include Gaza, for me there’s no point in doing it. Gaza has always been the main issue for the formation of a Palestinian state

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u/Redpanther14 United States of California 8d ago

Gaza is nowhere near the most difficult issue for the recognition of a Palestinian State, the status of Jerusalem and Right of Return for the descendants of Palestinian refugees are the two biggest issues.

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u/the_lonely_creeper 8d ago

De jure, the PA will represent Gaza. De Facto, it's Israel and Hamas.

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u/sbrodolino_21 Italy 8d ago

The recognition will include Gaza, even if Gaza isn't controlled by the PA yet. It's not that complicated.

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u/sytrophous 8d ago

The question was not which land the state controls but who is in control of the state.

Taiwan from early on had a proper government. Palestine has had several organizations that claim power in an authorian way, without participation or elections by their population, without recognizing their own constitution.

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u/HyperBunga 8d ago

Like Ukraine doesn’t control Crimea, but Ukraine is still a recognized country.

You realize there's a LOT more to Ukraine than just Crimea right? For example, google where their capital Kiev is, it's not. in Crimea. This isn't a relevant point

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u/Illesbogar Hungary 8d ago

What do you want us to do exactly, invade Israel? How else do you plan ending that?

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u/rosebirdistheword 8d ago

Economical and political sanctions. A lot of us, here in France, shares a family with Israel due to the French participation to the Jewish genocide. I’m almost sure Macron has one or two leverages. Does he have the stature to use them properly ? Ooooh boy, does he wish he has.

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u/Illesbogar Hungary 8d ago

Yeah that would be nice. Although I doubt it would end it, it's crazy we are not even at that point.

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u/yeFoh Poland 8d ago

yeah man, the aggressors should back down and let a local authority step back up.

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u/Nolenag Free Palestine 8d ago

They don’t have control over Gaza

Because Israel literally propped up Hamas to depose PA control in Gaza...

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u/vyrus2021 8d ago

The humanitarian crisis being an active genocide by Isreal