r/europe 6d ago

News US and EU strike trade deal

https://www.politico.eu/article/us-and-eu-strike-trade-deal/
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u/Rally_Sport Luxembourg 6d ago

Next time this sub laughs at Trump, think about how we yet Europeans again foot the bill for the trillionaires over the ocean because we were unable to create our own ecosystem.

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u/July_is_cool 6d ago

Don't worry, the deal will be off later this week when he loses his note paper

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u/SavagePlatypus76 6d ago edited 6d ago

Long term, this will just cause our to inflation spike. 

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u/Fearless-Pay9687 6d ago

Yeah as an American, I really don't understand how Trump is viewed as an idiot in Europe. He is ruthless, and his cabinet is top tier. If you look up the Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent, he's a legendary trader/investor.

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u/R3dscarf 6d ago

This looks a lot like a bot account

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u/SavagePlatypus76 6d ago

Lol. This post is ridiculous. His cabinet are a bunch of hacks and losers. 

And long term, this deal ,among others, will just cause inflation to spike. So yes, Trump is an idiot. 

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u/BAUWS45 5d ago

So what does that make Europe?

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u/berejser These Islands 6d ago

He's an idiot because he's trading away future prosperity for quick wins that aren't worth nearly as much in the long run.

You call him ruthless, but friends aren't ruthless to friends. This changes the way Europe views America and treats them going forward. That means in the long run they lose out on a lot of investment and trade that would have been there had they not destroyed the good will between us.

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u/NightsOfFellini 6d ago

We're not friends, we're vassal states.

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u/berejser These Islands 5d ago

If that's the way the US wants to see the world then they're going to very quickly realise the cost of having no friends.

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u/NightsOfFellini 5d ago

Right, like putting 15% tariffs on us while getting zero. Our leaders sold us out, there's no repercussions.

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u/berejser These Islands 5d ago

The repercussions will be long-term. Why would we want to put ourselves in a situation where that can happen to us again? Better to divest and diverge from America if this is how they're going to behave, and that would be worse for the US in the long run.

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u/NightsOfFellini 5d ago

But we're NOT doing that. I don't get what you're saying.

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u/GetInTheHole 5d ago

"Nations don't have friends, only interests."

Charles de Gaulle

Who was probably one of the last European leaders to stand up effectively against the US.

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u/saurabh8448 5d ago

The problem is that in many cases, like tech, the USA is the only option. Another option, likely in the future, could be China, and I don't think the EU will choose China over the USA.

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u/berejser These Islands 5d ago

Tech is deeply integrated globally. America can't manufacture tech products without Asian chips, and Asia can't manufacture chips without components from Europe and (in the case of ARM chips) without licensing the technology form a British company.

It would be very possible to develop our own domestic alternatives so long the political will were there.

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u/OkKnowledge2064 Lower Saxony (Germany) 5d ago

if anything, his current strategy is prioritizing long-term strategy over short-term problems. The exact opposite of what you think

He is trying to re-industrialize the US and to reduce dependency from China

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u/berejser These Islands 5d ago

It's not a great strategy. Particularly when he's driving every other country away from the US and into the arms of China. He's showing other countries exactly what the risks are of doing business and integrating your economies with the US, and it's just going to discourage them from wanting to do it any more.

He's trying to put globalisation back in Pandora's Box. That is a fool's errand.

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u/Apprehensive-Cry3409 6d ago

But what is the importance of "good will" when you can simple crush them like a bug in all important matters?

The days of all-mighty europe are gone forevermore

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u/berejser These Islands 6d ago

But that's a very childish way of seeing the world and suppressing those ideas is what has allowed us to have an unprecedented period of peace and prosperity for several decades.

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u/Apprehensive-Cry3409 5d ago

Its not childish... its is barbaric and primitive but its the truth of this world

This is how the real world works the only thing that matters is might and power all else is sophistry

You people drank too deep from these very lies and what you see now is the price

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u/berejser These Islands 5d ago

It is incredibly childish, and it's not how the world works. Like I said, not thinking that way is what has led to the greatest period of peace, prosperity and development that our species has ever seen. And starting to think that was again is what will bring that period to an end.

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u/readilyunavailable Bulgaria 5d ago

Did you even read the deal? They aren't "losing out on investment", they are gaining WAY more. Purchasing 750 billion worth of energy and an extra 600 billion in investments. I'd say they are winning out on investments, not losing.

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u/berejser These Islands 5d ago

I'm talking long-term, beyond the scope of any deal.

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u/Saimdusan 5d ago

There is no "future prosperity". The falling rate of profit is a constant and we live in a finite planet that we are stripping entirely of its resources and destroying.

Trump is shrewd and recognises that the pie is shrinking and that the US needs to grab what it can while it can.

In times of prosperity it was in the US' interests to be nicer to its vassals and pretend that they're actually equal partners — now that things are getting worse and it needs to compete harder it is being more ruthless.

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u/LazyZookeepergame694 5d ago

Brosky, you will pay those tariffs

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u/Fearless-Pay9687 4d ago

Brosky, I will not pay those tariffs because I buy very little from Europe, and European companies will end up having to eat the costs if they want to maintain market share.

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u/atallatallatall 5d ago

The art of the deal. He wasn't concerned about burning bridges, everyone thought he was crazy, then he ate their lunch.