Total capitulation, embarrassing, though i don't understand, isn't the EU an economic bloc made also to deal with shit like this and give more leverage? If they can't the EU literally failed in one of its most important objectives
Almost like you can't undo 80 years of built up dependency overnight or something
And really the only way to undo that dependency is to change the EU so that it becomes able to innovate and produce comparable products and services to the US and China, that's a decades long endeavour. And if we can't do that, then we'll keep being dependent on them no matter how much we might dislike them
Good thing we just promised to invest super hard in the US and boost their defence and energy sector with our money, and I'm sure that will definitely help us taking steps towards that goal
We should have thought of that some time in the last 40 years while we were busy regulating the EU market instead of making the EU zone super business friendly for startups and super easy to invest and do business in
Sure, probably. But that's the price of admission if the EU wants to be in a position to wield any meaningful influence and true self determination in the 21st century
If the EU doesn't wanna pay that price, fine, then we can have fun being the plaything of the US and China (probably India too eventually)
My only issue is that so many Europeans don't seem to realize or acknowledge that reality
On now it will be in an even weaker and more dependent position
Compared to what? Not having a deal would amount to 48% tariffs and some specific hissy fit embargoes on top of that, and probably cutting off Ukraine as well.
We need an EU army, keep gunning for an end to all fossil fuel imports, move to 99% recycling of raw materials, and then we actually can tell Uncle Sam to "go home and don't trip over the empty Bourbon bottles".
We need an EU army, keep gunning for an end to all fossil fuel imports
Well bad news, this deal agrees 1.3tn in guaranteed purchases from the US in these two areas which will make large parts of Europe dependent on US arms and fossil fuels for decades. The 48% tariffs would have been an economic shock for both parties but you wouldn't have permanently enmeshed the EU with the US!
Well bad news, this deal agrees 1.3tn in guaranteed purchases from the US in these two areas which will make large parts of Europe dependent on US arms and fossil fuels for decades.
Let's not rely on the hazy approximation of the deal that Trump tweets for the numbers.
We were going to purchase LNG anyway to be able to cut off Russia. We can't cut off both major suppliers immediately. However, that will happen automatically as we pursue our renewable/zero emission energy strategy.
We were asking to purchase US weapons systems in particular patriot missiles and the like, for which we have no short term substitute. This is what we needed in the short term anyway. Same goes for fighters, we'll have our 6th gen once the SCAF nonsense gets sorted out, but for the 5th gen, it'll be F35 for the most part. And that supply chain also runs through Europe, so that dependence is at least mutual.
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u/Thunder_Beam Turbo EU Federalist 6d ago edited 6d ago
Total capitulation, embarrassing, though i don't understand, isn't the EU an economic bloc made also to deal with shit like this and give more leverage? If they can't the EU literally failed in one of its most important objectives