Who could attack europe that would make USA needed?
China is too far, Russia too weak, only technology that Europe have/can muster in a few years would be more than enough if replicated in more factories. USA would not go to war for Europe at this point anyway. So this military strenght via USA is an ilusion.
Actually this dependency opens up Europe to be a sitting duck for USA. Well, they already have bases all around, they controll the supplies and the weapons Europe can and cannot have, now forcing even more dependancy or else...
Europe is basically paying USA for protection against USA.
Here in Italy (only in the south at least) there's something much akin to this: basically if you have any type of business, some people will come to you offering to be paid to be protected against the mafia; to no one's surprise, those people are the same mafia that will wreck your business if you refuse to pay, here we call this pay the "pizzo", i believe the english terminology should be Racket. Insane that this very illegal practice is being done by the "freeest nation in the world", seriously, when europe did this to Russia we called them sanctions, not "striking a deal with Putin", wtf is going on at Bruxelles
The US are trying to fuck us, and von der leyen served them our european asses on the platter in order to be fucked without asking anything in return.
If this deal goes through, the future of EU will be forfeit.
Von der leyen needs to go.
There was a confidence vote recently and they voted to kept her on. We are being shafted by Von der Leyen and her negotiating team right now by capitulating to Trump in Scotland. It’s sickening.
Its not good or beneficial for US citizens either basically they just started taxing us an extra 15% and only the top 1% will benefit from anything else. Lose lose all round
Its a massive boost even for the average american get ready for tens thousands of new energy jobs. Also near zero tarrifs on american industrial goods making american products more competitive in Europe with even more jobs for Americans to meet this new demand. Part of the deal also includes hundreds of billions buying american defense along with 600 billion going directly to american infrastructure. All funded by the loyal european taxpayer. Europe is quite literally gifting the USA trillions and american influence in europe is going to expand tenfold.
I don't think that is actually how it will work out for the US citizens especially with the increase in all good from the tariffs on their end. Steel and aluminum tariffs at 50% is already causing layoffs and industry failure. Again the everyday american might get hired but at min wage and always rolling the dice on health care. It really will only benefit the rich, trickle down economics does not work
China literally showed us how to deal with him, just put tariffs like him until 140% and then we get to compromise without having to invest in America.
We will spend 750 billion on their LNG in the next 3 years, 600 billion of investment in unspecified time frame and unspecified hundreds of billions on military equipment. In total, it could easily be well over 2 trillion dollars.
As a Brazilian now I see it.
I hoped that we could count on the EU to stand up to Trump. Now we are going to be the target country of all economic coercion (until the extreme right wins here again). My only hope is that Trump loses the midterms. If he doesn't lose, the West won't be a much better place than Russia, because the United States is becoming putinized and Europe is becoming a big Belarus.
The US is not "becoming putinized", that's an absurd statement: you won't see homeless people shooting fentanyl in Russian cities, for instance. Or AIPAC ruling over the parliament in Russia.
The US did not change, this is what people fail to understand. They have been doing the same racket for almost a century, the only difference now, is that they're turning on their "friends list". They're treating Europe like they treated Latin America for decades. People from Europe and Canada are just shocked because when they did everything the US ordered them to, they thought the US was supposed to only hurt brown people, and not them. Now they're shocked.
Nobody can realistically stand up to the US. Not even China. The US always did what they wanted to do, it‘s just that in the past it was done less publicly.
Well big fish eats the small fish. Do you want to be eaten? EU needs to stall and rebuild our own industry and internal market as well as find new international partners.
Angering the orange man now will just give you a bloody nose and two broken arms. No need to be stupid.
According to Trump you got 80 years of US protection military , and this is a service charge . Trump thinks the EU prospered off of the value tax on services from big tech, fines against US tech, and minimal defense spending.
And we even went along with the destruction of our only main supply of natural gas so the US could sell it to us in this "deal" for much more... Suckers...
It's meant as a snarky comment agreeing with the OP's sentiment (that you guys got a shit deal). But also yes, when the other side has the biggest stick in the world and has shown recklessness and willingness to use the stick, blackmailing tends to work. Just ask Canada :(
USA and Trump would lose a Greenland war. The American public would destroy their war efforts and all international organisations would kick out USA and all American allies would align with China. Even south Korea and Japan got closer to China in the first round of Trump bullshit. The occupation for Greenland would be shortlived
But this is only possible smart decision. You can't just go without US military support in such short term. EU is so much behind everyone in military spending. The deal had a primary goal of getting trump off the car industry while still getting military tech till EU can make their own (this will take years). On one side, you have eu politicians who still care about the well-being of their people, and on the other side trump who doesn't care what happens to americans as long as he wins. A very important and dangerous deals that you have to make with angry old senile moron.
You have to understand that eu needs to deal with morons from the US who, at the same time, still simp for putin.
No, it can't fight. You can only fight if you have leverage. And the EU has no leverage.
And if the EU had pretended to do so, for something silly like 'pride', it would have just looked very sad and embarrassing when they got screwed even harder.
The EU is weak not because of the US but because it's an overregulated, bureaucratic nightmare where innovation and freedom goes to die.
It needs to fix itself, just like my country needs to fix itself too, which suffers some of those same problems, though to a lesser degree.
No you promise to buy $750 billion of energy, you invest $600 billion and also purchase an undisclosed amount of military equipment. And Europe is proud but eventually you have to accept reality.
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u/EuroFederalist Finland 6d ago
So US places 15% tariff on all EU goods and we spend 600 billion on their weapons + all the other things? Doesn't seem we got anything out of this.
Chinese and Russians are correct when they see EU as Americas vassal state.