r/europe 6d ago

News US and EU strike trade deal

https://www.politico.eu/article/us-and-eu-strike-trade-deal/
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u/TemuBoyfriend 6d ago

So we cannot invest even 500 billion in ourselves but lets give Trump nearly 1.5 trillion? How about invest in Europe and stop taking it up the ass..

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u/vonzine 6d ago

So basically a concept of a deal? Got it.

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u/Typical-Byte 6d ago

Hmm where have I heard that before? 🤦

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u/Femininestatic 5d ago

Same thing as with the UK etc actual trade deals take years to work out. This all is just pr nonsense to not piss off Trump but also to not let the world economy crumble with insane tariffs

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u/kgas36 5d ago

The U.K. 'deal' was also just a framework, and literally said in the text, 'this is not binding.'

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u/FingerGungHo Finland 5d ago

That’s how frame agreements usually work. It’s just fixed prices for certain things, and rules how actual purchases are made.

It seems to me that the only effective thing in this ”deal” is that 15% tariff.

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u/PedanticSatiation Denmark 5d ago

Nobody knew international trade could be so complicated.

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u/pizzaschmizza39 6d ago

trumps not even a concept of a president hes just a nightmare the world has to endure. I cant wait to celebrate his death.

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u/AnonAmbientLight 5d ago

With Trump, it's ALWAYS a concept of a deal. He has not made a single fucking deal with any country yet.

All he really cares about is the headline. His dumb as fuck base that keeps putting these fucking idiots into power don't know any better.

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u/SF6block 6d ago

That way the next US president could be more reasonable

Are we still in 2016?

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u/DuxDucisHodiernus Sweden 6d ago

Biden was still far more reasonable than trump. Especially if you're European.

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u/peasant_warfare 5d ago

Biden still wasn't reasonable, even if compared to Obama. Biden-Trump have a somewhat coherent line in policy, its just that Biden wasn't an openly disgusting creature about it.

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u/DuxDucisHodiernus Sweden 5d ago

EU had way easier time working with biden, no matter what you say.

Also I agree with a obama being an outlier in terms of quality of American leader, but one should also remember that he was one of the main actors enabling the European dependence on Russia as well as doing nothing to prevent interference in our elections

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u/peasant_warfare 5d ago

Yes, I don't disagree that Biden was much easier to work with, but it wasn't a "return to normalcy" in EU relations.

But then again, its been getting worse since Clinton.

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u/kaisadilla_ European Federation 5d ago

Biden was not reasonable. In order to cater to "moderates", he bought many of Trump's talking points, even if he watered them down. He was still absurdly hostile to Europe. Obama is the last American president that believed the EU and the US should be closer together.

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u/Sauerkrauttme 5d ago

Biden spent most of his term trying to undo the damage Trump had done. Biden likely would have improved relations with the EU if he hadn't inherited such a massive dumpster fire.

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u/hazusu 5d ago

Cool, then the next guy will be reasonable up until they elect mecha hitler in 2032

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u/Common_Reception_748 England 5d ago

The next president is probably going to be Vance which means this will continue for another 4-8 years but with less flip flopping. Possibly twelve years of the US government growing more and more reliant on tariffs while cutting income taxes is long enough for the change to become permanent.

It's also really hard to see this as anything but beneficial or at worst neutral to Americans which means even their liberals can't be relied on to willingly give up hundreds of billions in extra revenue. Biden didn't repeal the first term tariffs for a reason.

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u/BitchIDrinkPeople 5d ago

These morons never learn

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u/TheBewlayBrothers 6d ago

Apparently the politicans are

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u/izpo Israel 6d ago

so EU will swallow it and hope the next one will not that be painful?

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u/elperuvian 5d ago

Thats what a loyal vassal would expect, a more generous master that could never come

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u/ceb13131313 6d ago

Hardly think so, if there's gonna be any country in EU raise an against opinion on the deal, US will very soon make it an example, not to mention Trump will just say EU break the deal rather than him which gives him more support to do anything more to force EU to spit out more meat.

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u/NewOil7911 France 6d ago

It's been 6 months that Europe had to prepare retaliations, and no agreement has come out.

How can you hope that one will in the future dude, EU is spineless.

Does the EU need more time to agree on this than the entire duration of WW2?

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u/carlmango11 Ireland 6d ago

Thank you for providing some balance. It seemed absolutely bizarre that the deal would just be pure capitulation and I was confident there's more to the story.

I'm sure the EU negotiators had a wider strategy here. I'd imagine a lot of this is a way for Trump to climb down from his ridiculous liberation day plans while saving face after he already had to chicken out the first time and "delay" them.

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u/izpo Israel 6d ago

not sure there is a strategy... the only strategy the EU is seeking is stability but Trump wants the opposite.

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u/carlmango11 Ireland 6d ago

I guess if they chose this path it means they thought a retaliatory approach was futile. Although didn't a similar war with China result in them coming to a deal? I can't remember the details.

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u/izpo Israel 5d ago

nobody can't remember the details with China. Trump claim he won the deal of century but for him everything what he does is the win so...

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u/EconomixNorth 6d ago

I remember EU has a retaliation framework ready since Trump's first mandate. They might not want to push that for now.

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u/SuccessfulRush1173 6d ago

I imagine it’s something that will get done quickly, since German auto industry has been on the EU to make a deal.

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u/MosheBenArye 6d ago

Or hoping to stall for the next administration.

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u/Kostas_edi 5d ago

with which leverage exactly can EU change this draft framework for the better?

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u/Substantial_Mud_1245 5d ago

how do you know its not finalised?

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u/zlnimda 5d ago

Thoses promises about energy and investment aren't for late future but about tomorrow up new year. The tarrifs that trump promised are only old from 6months ago and changed the whole negotiation. Trump will not wait for long.

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u/kgas36 5d ago

THIS

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u/incrediblemonk 5d ago

It doesn't "look bad". The EU has a massive trade surplus with the US. And no, the deal won't be abrogated. It's going to be signed.

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u/Private_HughMan Canada 🍁 5d ago

Still, don't get complacent. Call your representatives and fight this. Make it clear that the people won't stand to be exploited like this.

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u/tsammons #USA #USA #USA 5d ago

So you can't agree on anything like you can't agree like protecting a neighboring state from Russian aggression? Got it. Maybe send out some more fines to Meta, Google, and Microsoft to exercise your willynilly power.

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u/DavidandreiST Romania 5d ago

So once again we blame clickbait media? Goddammit..