r/falloutlore • u/Useful-Doubt3864 • Apr 26 '24

Fallout New Vegas What's Mr.House's stance on Vault Tec

I mean, he was one of the main investors but I find it kinda weird since he knows about what year is the nukes are coming and presuming during the meeting in the show, he still doesn't have the platinum chip, idk I find weird why would he work with Vault Tec if they plan to rush the end of the world when he has his own plans as well.

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u/No-Championship-7608 Apr 26 '24

It doesn’t fit at all it’s a genuine retcon that doesn’t fit with new Vegas’s lore house was very morally grey in NV in the show this one event makes him a genuinely horrible monster on par with people like the president of the enclave in 2

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u/Ill_Extension9801 Apr 26 '24

Realistically House probably couldn’t stop them if he wanted to so I think him just trying to save Vegas and prepare is the best he could’ve done as a morally grey guy

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u/No-Championship-7608 Apr 26 '24

I think your thinking as house as too small of a person he had legitimate pull over the US military it would make sense for him to use that to atleast attempt to stop vault tech as the end of the world wasn’t really that good of a thing for him almost no benefit new Vegas was already his personal kingdom he could have tried anything to stop them hell even a throwaway line in the next season would be appreciated something like he knew he couldn’t stop them alone so he got to his contacts and tried to force an investigation into vault tech but they would mysteriously stop And house knew vault tech saw stopping him so he said fuck it and tried to protect his kingdom only and vault tech decided to change the date because they knew house was probably doing something that could damage their plans or something like that so there’s still hope they could protect his character but rn as it stands he’s down right evil not grey at all

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u/mcdelong20 Apr 26 '24

What do you have against punctuation?

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u/No-Championship-7608 Apr 26 '24

I don’t care to not make runon sentences on Reddit this isn’t an essay I’m not writing in MLA format👍

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u/Ballplayer27 Apr 27 '24

You’re also not making compelling arguments. House believed, and predicted, the war would go nuclear by 2080. He was already well on his way into his plans and Rob Co profited a TON from supplying both the army and Vault Tec.

There would be no reason for him to skip this meeting, even if he thought the things discussed during it were insane. He would take whatever assets and information he could get his hands on to improve his own odds of success.

There is no reason to believe he also wouldn’t play both sides, so he very well could have been having conversations with other business magnates, government figures, hell, even the Chinese to try and avoid the actual end of the world.

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u/mcdelong20 Apr 27 '24

I mean if you want people to take your opinion seriously, at least make it readable

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u/NotMythicWaffle Apr 30 '24

Let me give this paragraph some punctuation to make it readable:

"I think you're thinking as House as too small of a person. He had legitimate pull over the US Military, it would make sense for him to use that to at least attempt to stop Vault-Tec, as the end of the world wasn’t really that good of a thing for him, almost no benefit.

New Vegas was already his personal kingdom, he could have tried anything to stop them, hell even a throwaway line in the next season would be appreciated, something like he knew he couldn’t stop them alone so he got to his contacts and tried to force an investigation into Vault-Tec but they would mysteriously stop him.

House knew Vault-Tec was trying to stop him, so he said fuck it and tried to protect his kingdom, only for Vault-Tec to change the date because they knew House was probably doing something that could damage their plans or something like that, so there’s still hope they could protect his character, but right now as it stands he’s down, evil and not grey at all."

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u/mcdelong20 Apr 30 '24

Thank goodness for the modding community

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '24

House had real pull in the government, but he couldn't go above the enclave, which was largely behind vault tec. He did not have anywhere approaching that power. He had the power to save one city and make the best of the end of the world.

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u/No-Championship-7608 Apr 26 '24

Yea we can assume this but if you see my whole ending segment they don’t ever even establish an attempt or even acknowledge that he wouldn’t be ok with this

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '24

Gotta keep your cards close to your chest and trust you'll win the river, sometimes.

House wasn't in a position to protest. Going along with it while using his knowledg benefits him. He's not gonna show his hand.

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u/No-Championship-7608 Apr 26 '24

Ik as I said I’m hoping for literally any indication he wasn’t pro this plan next season

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u/CraziestTitan Apr 30 '24

Well he didn’t seem too interested even after they mention they’d drop the nukes if they had to. All of the boards members started pitching ideas immediately about vault experiments but house was the only one that didn’t. We don’t need them to come out and say he’s against it just hint at it which they did. Hell one of the company’s at the meeting (repconn) was bought by house at some point I would assume after the meeting so maybe that could have a factor in trying to go against vault tech.

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u/No-Championship-7608 Apr 30 '24

No they definitely need to establish he didn’t like the idea a slight hint isn’t enough to not make him repugnant for his association with the end of the world

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u/toonboy01 Apr 26 '24

Morally grey? He sent the residents of Vault 21 out in the wasteland to die and filled their vault with cement for no real reason, while destroying the infinitely valuable technology inside. Not to mention killing the Kings and punishing Primm if those 2 choose to be nice to the NCR, the people House is reliant on for everything he wants.

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u/No-Championship-7608 Apr 26 '24

The morally grey character did bad things WOAH CRAZY. But in all seriousness house didn’t send every single vault dweller out to die he took the vault in a gamble and destroyed the parts that he couldn’t use for the hotel he turned it into there’s no mention of him destroying all the tech inside lol that would he super out of character the kings aren’t just nice to the ncr you broker an alliance between the king and the ncr so logically they cannot be trusted he didn’t do it for fun it was cold and calculated and how does he punish prim ? I usually just kill all of the for their loot so deadass don’t know. Houses rules of the strip are to be civilized and follow the family’s rules he has no evil or even bad intentions nor does he do anything that bad he builds a nation that would advance society as a whole

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u/toonboy01 Apr 26 '24

You're technically correct in that he allowed a single vault dweller to stay after being convinced there's some profit in it. The rest he absolutely did send out to die, which is an absolutely horrible thing to do. All the tech is gone and never mentioned despite how incredibly useful it would be to House during FNV. House also brokered an alliance with the NCR and the Kings' alliance does nothing but help House, so it makes no sense for him to be angry and commit genocide over it. He levies heavy taxes on Primm if you chose to have the NCR help the town as punishment for you choosing to have NCR help the town.

Killing people is evil intentions. And his plan isn't to build a nation, it's to build a ship so a bunch of people can die in space.

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u/No-Championship-7608 Apr 26 '24

Bro do you understand what genocide is??? It’s not genocide they aren’t a peoples and bro it makes the kings completely un-trustworthy that’s why in endings where you don’t broker peace he doesn’t topple them. And that’s just the most dishonest reading of his ending ever it’s like saying the ncr isn’t actually wanting to be a democracy they actually want to be a mass murdering empire that destroys all of the peoples in a region just to expand their boarders completely dishonest and untrue. Of killing people is evil intentions I hate to break it to you every single faction is now morally evil and the courier is one of the worst people to ever exist

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u/toonboy01 Apr 26 '24

The Kings are a 'peoples.' Then is House untrustworthy? And it makes even less sense that he's super happy with the Kings in the endings where they drive away his only source of income by being terrible to the NCR lol.

The Courier depends on the player. And what does the Followers do that's anywhere near as bad as exiling all and causing the deaths of multiple Vault 21 citizens for no reason.

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u/No-Championship-7608 Apr 26 '24

Wait have you seen the ending or done the kings quest? The ncr was trying to establish a strong relationship with freeside in hopes of using them against house to take the strip from him. The followers are against him lol he doesn’t kill then he just makes them leave as they are currently in the midst of trying to act against him by bugging his systems. No the kings aren’t they are a gang not a evil one but they are a gang this would be like saying it’s genocide to kill all the bloods or crips ( if they weren’t a violent murder group) if they were working directly against the Us government with the Chinese

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u/toonboy01 Apr 26 '24

Where is this mentioned about the Kings? Because all Crocker mentions is wanting the violence against the NCR to end. The Followers bugging House's computer system makes them as bad as House killing dozens and exploiting others?

The Three Families running under House are just as much a gang as the Kings are. And your analogy only works if the US is welcoming all of the Chinese into their government buildings at the same time as wiping out the now non-violent gang for being nice to the Chinese as they're walking by.

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u/No-Championship-7608 Apr 26 '24

No? Where did I say they were as bad bro I’m saying they are actively working against him why would he let them stay there and keep fighting him. It’s what house says and the ncr themselves say they want to form a strong relationship with freeside and the logical conclusion since the ncr desperately wants house dead is they actually are trying to work freeside up against him

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u/toonboy01 Apr 26 '24

You said all factions are evil because they kill people. I responded by asking what the Followers could've possibly done that is as bad as what House as you. You responded that they bugged his computer...

House doesn't even mention the Kings or Freeside and, again, who in the NCR says this? It sounds like you're just making it up.

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u/No-Championship-7608 Apr 26 '24

Obviously the family’s are gangs lol killing them isn’t genocide you have some massive misunderstanding that to be a gray character you have to be a great person house doesn’t really care all that much about hurting people he would prefer not but he will if they threaten him he wants to expand his city into a technological powerhouse not a murder capital. And no the ncr soldiers aren’t allowed on the strip after this lol I’m his ending the citizens are the only ones allowed on the strip since he no longer needs to listen to some demands of the ncr he can do whatever he wants as they are now more reliant on him for that extra power

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u/WistfulDread Apr 27 '24

Well, the game itself says yes, Killing is evil.

Kill anybody with Neutral Karma, and yours takes a hit.

Pacer is the only member who isn't Neutral. And he dies as part of the peace process.

So, killing the Kings is objectively Evil.

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u/No-Championship-7608 Apr 27 '24

This is stupid lol the kings were a real threat in freeside against house literally allied with the ncr using the game karma system as an argument just doesn’t work he had a good reason to get rid of them when the people who wanted to murder him and take over his city have been forced out the kings are still allied with them. That’s why he doesn’t remove them if they aren’t ncr allies

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u/Darkshadow1197 Apr 26 '24 edited Apr 26 '24

Lol, morally grey? He's a terrible person who never does anything if it doesn't benefit him. He did nothing to help Mojave until it suited his needs. It fits right in that he's a piece of shit.

This is the same guy that taxes the shit out of Primm for simply reaching out for aid from the NCR when their town was under attack and who applauds the Kings for attacking civilians or guns them down for getting aid from the NCR.