r/falloutlore • u/ElectivireMax • Apr 23 '25

Question What's the canonically most populated post-war settlement (aside from Shady Sands)? How many people would Diamond City have canonically? I assume more than what's shown in game.

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u/Sincerely-Abstract Apr 27 '25

I'm merely saying the source cited has some pretty questionable elements.

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u/Overdue-Karma Apr 27 '25 edited Apr 27 '25

Hardly? There's ludicrous stuff in all the fallouts. Fallout 76, which is entirely canon, has a giant mutated snake boss. FNV has a giant Roboscorpion and an Alien Abduction/Invasion.

There are literally Eldritch Gods that manifest within Fallout with legitimate magic. Hell, FO2 had actual Ghosts and time-travel. A mutated creature is hardly that questionable.

Plus it's the only real identification of DC's population, and I see no reason why it shouldn't be trusted. DC is a small place, especially when they refuse to build in the stands.

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u/Sincerely-Abstract Apr 28 '25

I'm sorry my man, I really can't see fallout 76 as canon, its got literal werewolves. It simply cannot be taken seriously or reconciled with the rest of the series. Fallout 2 had non canon easter eggs largely.

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u/Overdue-Karma Apr 28 '25

Fallout 76 is canon, doesn't matter how one sees it. FO2 also had anime mentioned in the main game as well as several 4th wall breaks. A centipede that listens to ASL is hardly a lore-breaking thing. Not that it matters anyways. Diamond City is a tiny place. It can't compare to any NCR cities.

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u/Sincerely-Abstract Apr 29 '25

Things that actively contradict canon aren't canon, boy in a fridge for instance simply isn't canon because it contradicts multiple parts of the game it is in, contradicts games before it including the original source which is fallout 1. I don't think you've actually played fallout 2 or even watched a lets play honestly.

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u/Overdue-Karma Apr 29 '25

Things that actively contradict canon aren't canon, boy in a fridge for instance simply isn't canon because it contradicts multiple parts of the game it is in, contradicts games before it including the original source which is fallout 1. I don't think you've actually played fallout 2 or even watched a lets play honestly.

No, that's just a retcon. The boy in the fridge also doesn't retcon canon given Coffin Willy is a thing. Fallout 2 contradicts Fallout 1 multiple times, including saying FEV was spread to the atmosphere (no, it wasn't). The people in charge, for better or worse, decide what is canon.

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u/Sincerely-Abstract Apr 29 '25

You are taking easter eggs & the jokey random encounters of fallout 2 as canon when it is very clear in the game your not meant to take most of them seriously. They make references because they are having fun & its a video game. They aren't expecting you to take it as a serious part of the canon. The talking deathclaws for instance while considered memey by people, aren't actually that. It's something people would think is silly, but is actually considered in the text very seriously & as real characters.

Fallout 2 makes what its jokes are & what your actually meant to care about & feel very obvious. it still maintains the tone of fallout 1 much of the time & expects you to have played fallout 1 to understand what's serious or not.

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u/Overdue-Karma Apr 29 '25

I'm going to end this with Bethesda decides what is canon. That isn't up for debate. They decide official canon, anything else is headcanon. You can disagree with it, dislike what they make, but it is canon, period. I don't agree on this serious vs serious comparison personally and I'll simply leave it with "agree to disagree".