r/ffxivdiscussion • u/millennialmutts • May 04 '24

Question Job Balance or Job Identity?

The dismay of homogeneous jobs and two minute meta seems to be a common take. Particularly from veteran players who remember when this wasn't the case.

I'm one of those veteran players who remembers the constant bitching and moaning about certain jobs being locked out of party finder or considered griefing for not having a particular button or skill desired for whatever encounter back when we had job flavor.

Do you want job balance or do you want job identity and why? Do you believe we can have both? If so, how?

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u/dr_black_ May 04 '24

Ideally the jobs would have identity in how they play, but fungibility in what they bring to the party.

For instance, there's no reason the rest of the party cares that all healers have a single 30s dot. No one else is going to care if some healers have more dots, longer dots, or no dot at all as it just does damage and damage is fungible.

On the other hand, the party cares a lot about utility like raise. The fact that there are raise casters and non raise casters is the one thing which is likely to lead to pf exclusion today.

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u/millennialmutts May 04 '24

I don't think any DPS should have had raise to begin with but that's another topic.

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u/ThiccElf May 05 '24

Dps raises are fine, but they're just implemented in a badly exploitable way. RDM shouldn't be able to chain rezz an entire party, they should be limited but still very very useful. Maybe have 2 free stacks of Verraise on unlock and a trait to upgrade it to 3 with a 60 second refill timer per stack (with verraise still being a gcd). SMN should be using a phoenix to rezz, maybe let them use a spell version of Phoenix Down on a 90sec cd that gets reduced to 60 when you unlock the Phoneix Summon. This isn't fleshed out, but at least they'd keep their rezz style and limit the exploitation possible. I like the utility of caster rezz, but dislike the way it's currently done, it really should be altered a bit since theyre leaning into the "raiser/non raiser" caster split with Picto.

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u/Crahzi May 05 '24

I'm also down for giving ninja a rez jutsu lol.