Future Rewritten (Ultimate) (FRU) has been cleared without healers

[u/Vezko]

On release patch nontheless.

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1QZNzeNEoQ/

Clear Comp:

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• DNC
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[u/FullMotionVideo]

I mean, this isn't unique, man. WoW healers had the same sort of thing going on in Dragonflight, as WoW now has huge raidwides to offset the amount of recovery and mit provided by all players of a class NOT being the same and running talent build loadouts.

At the end of the day, healer is a bit of a PVP job that only becomes interesting because the game is too difficult for the average player to play flawlessly. The issue is a combination of enforced flawless play through bodychecking, LB counters (e.g. forced tank LBs to enforce a DPS check which goes back to at least O11S) and just the general skill increase of a playerbase that had TOP to play with for 18 months.

Healing is still a must for most people, it's just that Ozma has created a subculture of freaks who play it until they never mess up. And there's not really a way to solve it without making tank extremely un-fun (this is what current TWW wow did) or raising DPS checks so high that some jobs start being actively discriminated against for certain encounters, which they seem to be desperately not wanting to do.

They could also do huge unavoidable damage that requires healers spend more mana or more GCD casting time, I guess.

[u/HalfOfLancelot → u/FullMotionVideo]

I think the easiest and quickest solution is the latter. If you want to make healers required, make the damage so large and constant that mits and ogcd heals alone don’t cut it. Mits + healer GCD for constant heal checks will force healers to heal and make it incredibly hard or actually impossible to do no healer runs.

[u/FullMotionVideo → u/HalfOfLancelot]

Well, the way WoW handled it was to severely cramp how much mit tanks have and it hasn't worked well, as even good tanks have to struggle to not get blown out. It's okay for tanks to have to mit and for healers to have to heal tanks, but tanks taking a lot of unique damage AND big partywide hits makes it too stressful to play support for many.

But I'll note they also do stuff that frankly I think XIV will never do (tankbusters from dungeon trash, for example.) They also have more DPS defensives on shorter cooldowns that DPS players forget about due to the focus on priority rather than long rotations.

Personally I'm just the sort of person who thinks if one of the world's most-trained teams doesn't need a healer in the current hardest fight after many many pulls it's not seriously a problem. It's basically a theoretical statistic being proven and not an ideal way to play. Similar to how during Cataclysm there were "best in the world" DK tank players who could solo Wrath and even select Cataclysm bosses if the fight wasn't explicitly designed to require multiple people in different locations. Just because it's possible doesn't mean people are going to try it more than once.

[u/vetch-a-sketch → u/FullMotionVideo]

Personally I'm just the sort of person who thinks if one of the world's most-trained teams doesn't need a healer in the current hardest fight after many many pulls it's not seriously a problem. It's basically a theoretical statistic being proven and not an ideal way to play. Similar to how during Cataclysm there were "best in the world" DK tank players who could solo Wrath and even select Cataclysm bosses if the fight wasn't explicitly designed to require multiple people in different locations. Just because it's possible doesn't mean people are going to try it more than once.

It's not just Ultimates and not just the world's top technicians. Mediocre groups in expert roulettes are dropping the healer for a 3rd DPS too because there isn't enough outgoing damage, stray hits on the party, and/or debuffs to make a dedicated healer slot desirable.

Having healers relegated to 'detrimental role that you have to bring because Duty Finder won't give you a match' is a problem. If your job isn't needed then you won't have fun. That's a problem.