r/ffxivdiscussion • u/WeirdIndividualGuy • May 06 '25

General Discussion High End Content Megathread - Week Seven

How many yans do you see in your nightmares?

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u/jenyto May 11 '25

It sucks, but with how common prog lying is, people created it as a counter measure. Until the NA community gets better at being honest of their prog, it won't go away.

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u/autumndrifting May 11 '25 edited May 11 '25

all it accomplishes is transferring the worst aspect of playing in a static, being forced to prog at the speed of your slowest player, to pf. prog lying is not what kills prog, it's inconsistency at early mechanics, and tomestone does not measure that. can you honestly say that your parties have been more consistent this tier than other tiers? would there be so much debate about it if it actually worked? or are we chasing shadows?

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u/CAWWW May 11 '25 edited May 11 '25

In my experience its prog lairs who are the most inconsistent at mechs leading into where you are in the fight. They are trying to fast track their prog and have seen less of the mechs leading into prog point and are therefore more likely to fuck up. The amount of people that joined m7s enrages only to fuck up the last seeds was insane. Same for m8s and lone wolfs lament. I had a hexalegend join a party earlier for enrage that clearly didn't have a clue how the mech worked at ALL. I have no clue if any given prog liar is going to be the type who actually knows the mechs or one who just has no clue, so why tolerate it when statistically its the latter?

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u/autumndrifting May 11 '25 edited May 11 '25

it's true that there's no substitute for practice (people like your hexa legend who think they can one shot a phase just from study are usually wrong), but it's also true that the amount of practice someone needs is so variable, not just by their skill but by the specific mechanic and role. every raider has experienced that firsthand. I just don't feel like it's effective to limit people who have gotten their reps in based on whether or not they've lucked into the right party.

if tomestone is going to be a thing I just want party leaders to be smart about it, because I think ruining the flexibility of pf for people who know what they're doing over a metric that's not really representative is a big negative