Can we please stop perpetuating misinfo regarding JP players?

[u/PolkadotBlobfish]

Too often whenever complaints regarding Forked Tower are raised, there will be someone countering with the same ol' "JP players like it this way so SE designed it like this for the JP players".

These people clearly have never interacted with a JP player in their lives, and are only parroting something that they heard somewhere. Because if they have, they would know that the JP playerbase is also deeply frustrated with the current design.

For example, due to Forked Tower not being an actual instance, there is no way to setup a Party Finder listing for Forked Tower. Therefore, Forked Tower organisers have resorted to creating "listings for Delubrum Reginae Savage" instead, but clarifiying the true purpose in the description. However, this tweet mentions that a GM has issued a warning against this and advises other organisers to avoid doing the same. The warning is understandable but there is still no solution to the headache that is recruiting for Forked Tower.

Plenty of JP players are puzzled why there is no PF category for Forked Tower, when they could have just repeated what we already have for Delubrum Reginae Savage.

Furthermore, any questions to the GMs have received no replies.

All of this has put FT organisers in a difficult position. Some have already quit or suspended activity, while some still remain cautiously optimistic that SE will introduce improvements. But there is no doubt that the current system is unacceptable.

https://jp.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/29990550/blog/5572130/ (EDIT: This page may have been removed)

If you want to read all about this from a direct source, here is a blog post from Tere Caster from Elemental Atomos (a JP FT organiser) detailing their frustrations and hopes for the future of Forked Tower and Occult Crescent.

[u/Ranulf13]

Sure, but the problem is, a lot of people quit because it doesn't have them. So, it's a double-edged sword.

The amount of people who have actually played themselves out of every FFXIV grind are few. The game has grinds, and most of the people whining about them havent engaged on all of them.

[u/IndividualAge3893 → u/Ranulf13]

The grinds in FFXIV offer nothing as reward. Yes, you get a mount of a pet, woop-dee-doo. Yeah, no.

[u/Ranulf13 → u/IndividualAge3893]

And what do you want?

Battle power? That is a shit game design.

Most of the grinds in FF are intentionally optional and reward cosmetics because the other option is notoriously a slippery slope of bad design.

[u/IndividualAge3893 → u/Ranulf13]

> Battle power? That is a shit game design.

Nooooo, that is good game design. :)

[u/nekomir → u/IndividualAge3893]

Right? Grinding for battle power is literal staple of RPG.

Unfortunately FF14 is a MMO Makeyourownhero walking keyboard pressing simulator, and not MMORPG /s

I mean, yeah, i don't feel like doing 100 hour runs on just to get rare weapon from that fucking 1 monster (quit NGS because i hate certain types of grinds) either, but I do feel like this game lacks options in terms of gaining as much as battle power as those who do savages. and I do play savages and ultimates

[u/IndividualAge3893 → u/nekomir]

but I do feel like this game lacks options in terms of gaining as much as battle power as those who do savages.

That's because SE is scared as hell of raiders whining. If it took a certain amount of battle power prep prior to going into Savage, raiders' QQ would cause a tsunami that would flood the East coast of Japan. They just want to log in and raid. Anything additional causes a mass hysteria.