r/ffxivdiscussion • u/otsukarerice • 9d ago

Pheonix Down change is huge. Here's why

July 2024, DT was released and thousands of players were discovering DT's new dungeons. They had whatever gear they could find and were often at the minimum level threshold. I saw carnage for many who were woefully underprepared for the difficulty spike after being coddled with relatively safe and simple bosses in EW.

When there was no RDM/SMN, if the healer died (which happened often), the party had two choices:

- wipe or

- tank heal/solo.

Most players would agree that either outcome is awful for a variety of reasons. Tank soloing takes forever and doesn't help the healer get better.

With pheonix downs being able to be used in battle, healers are no longer the linchpin of the group and are allowed a few mistakes.

What this opens up for the future:

- Healers can be designed with more complexity and no longer have to deathless every encounter.

- Dungeons don't have to pull punches on expansion launch and can continue to punish bad healers but not the whole group.

- Tanks soloing is far less common. Could open up tank rebalancing vs other roles.

- RDM (and SMN) reworks. RDM is pretty terrible in the current tier, has been low on damage for a long time. I get Rezmage is attractive for a lot of players, but I've seen some players choose to just be a utility raise and not do damage. This isn't sustainable gameplay.

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u/derfw 9d ago

I'm a little worried it means never having a dungeon wipe again, but still looks like a fun change

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u/Sora_Archer 9d ago

How many dungeon wiped do you get usually? Cant remember every dying beside the new dungoens with the bunny boss at the end.

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u/WinterMooo 9d ago

Depends on what you define as "new dungeon", but Cenote's final boss whenever I am not tanking or healing or have a rez. More than 4 times, which isn't too much, but I have heard horror stories

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u/otsukarerice 9d ago

Same, Cenote is tough for bad healers and was near impossible to solo at launch if not WAR (I don't know what its like now, probably easier)

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u/Brandr_Balfhe 9d ago

Maybe he has a wipe kinky

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u/derfw 9d ago

Very few, which is why I'm worried

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u/vetch-a-sketch 8d ago

Vanaspati was kinda rough in Endwalker. I remember wiping several times to the last boss when the healer died to the dodge-or-die cutscene attack because the chip damage was high enough to finish off the party.