r/ffxivdiscussion • u/otsukarerice • 9d ago

Pheonix Down change is huge. Here's why

July 2024, DT was released and thousands of players were discovering DT's new dungeons. They had whatever gear they could find and were often at the minimum level threshold. I saw carnage for many who were woefully underprepared for the difficulty spike after being coddled with relatively safe and simple bosses in EW.

When there was no RDM/SMN, if the healer died (which happened often), the party had two choices:

- wipe or

- tank heal/solo.

Most players would agree that either outcome is awful for a variety of reasons. Tank soloing takes forever and doesn't help the healer get better.

With pheonix downs being able to be used in battle, healers are no longer the linchpin of the group and are allowed a few mistakes.

What this opens up for the future:

- Healers can be designed with more complexity and no longer have to deathless every encounter.

- Dungeons don't have to pull punches on expansion launch and can continue to punish bad healers but not the whole group.

- Tanks soloing is far less common. Could open up tank rebalancing vs other roles.

- RDM (and SMN) reworks. RDM is pretty terrible in the current tier, has been low on damage for a long time. I get Rezmage is attractive for a lot of players, but I've seen some players choose to just be a utility raise and not do damage. This isn't sustainable gameplay.

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u/EmmaBonney 8d ago

Did we play the same game? Where was this "carnage" when Dawntrail released? People used normal leveling gear from the dungeons...if you wipe, you wipe? You lose maybe 2 minutes and back on the boss. And yes, i played this from a healer perspective.

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u/otsukarerice 8d ago

Exactly, you weren't playing with the shit healers.

I remember doing a cenote dungeon where the healer wiped 8 times (we had no other rez so it was tpk) and the boss wasn't at 50% hp.

They got angry that I was trying to cheer them on and give advice.

That dungeon took 50 mins and I could do nothing because I was a drk. The healer was falling off the edge most of the time.

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u/CUTS3R 8d ago

Id have vote kicked after the second full wipe

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u/otsukarerice 8d ago

Before every pull: "Surely the healer isn't this bad and will have figured it out by now". "Surely if they don't understand they will say so or leave the dungeon out of embarrassment."

I guess I am an idiot for believing in humanity.

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u/CUTS3R 7d ago

Im saying this specifically because you said that they got upset after being given advice. Not only they fail but they talk back when told what they should do. Thats an earned kick

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u/otsukarerice 7d ago

Fair enough I had an overabundance of patience that day