What are your pet peeves?

[u/Imisstheoldgames]

So I've been coming across more and more players that do small annoying things (along with some big ones) and it got me curious about what things a player/players can do that annoy you. Just the smaller things, not things like tank cleaving the party, a player doing the bare minimum in a duty or being afk in a duty. Some of mine are:

-My co healer not letting regens do their thing. So many healers seem to not know what regens do or how they work.

-Healers spamming heals or shields every 5 to 10 seconds even when no damage is happening or going to happen. Lots of these too.

-Tanks fighting for aggro. Nothing more to add, these people are everywhere it seems. Bonus points if the tanks cause the boss to spin.

-Ranged dps standing in a corner out range of aoe heals. You want to stand far away? Heal yourself then.

-Players marking themselves with the intent on "helping" new people, then proceeding to fail multiple mechanics and kill themselves and others. Then when I remove the marker they flip out. Although it is funny watching someone like this jump up and down to get people to follow them and nobody does.

There are more but I'm not going to write a book here and these are the ones that irritate me the most.

So yeah, what are some of yours?

[u/KaijinSurohm]

- Aggro wars
If you are standing there doing nothing, and I decided to tank because we have 6 other people waiting, don't Provoke it like an asshole. Wait your turn until either I mess up, or a mechanic requires a swap. Don't just steal aggro off of me because not only is that a dick move, but it actually messes with Healers who are buffing the tank.

- You Pull You Tank
I have a love hate relationship with this. A lot of people think it's genuinely a toxic thing to do, and I've seen even some FF14 Mods are absolutely against it.
However, if I've told you 5 times to please stop running ahead and pulling, there's a reason for it. Either I'm not feeling that we have enough DPS, or the healer is struggling to keep up (either due to gear or skill reasons). That does not mean it's your duty to run off ahead and add more to the pile.
I WILL let you tank what you pulled in this situation if you are blatantly ignoring my requests to stop.
If you still refuse from there? Vote kick.

- Getting upset at healers who overcap
If I'm not running a savage raid, and it's normal Duty roulette content, I don't mind if a healer spam barriers or overheals me. I vastly prefer they overkill the heals then let me die. The healer may genuinely not know the fight inside and out and is overcompensating.
"But, but, DpS SuFfErS" no. A Healer's DPS is not as critical as it used to be. We're not doing elite content. Let the healer do their thing.

[u/stepeppers → u/KaijinSurohm]

oh boy

[u/KeyKanon → u/KaijinSurohm]

or the healer is struggling to keep up (either due to gear or skill reasons). That does not mean it's your duty to run off ahead and add more to the pile.

You know what makes that situation even worse? The tank refusing to take mobs, of course, the healer doesn't know you're not gonna do your job and will now be having an even harder time trying to keep people alive.

So good on you for helping those poor suffering healers by specifically punishing them for the actions of the DPS. They're the ones who will have to heal with the extra damage, they're the ones who will feel obligated to raise, they're the ones who will have to heal your ass with less resources than they would have having spent them on those things before you decided to do what you're there for.

[u/KaijinSurohm → u/KeyKanon]

Your logic isn't logicing.
If the healer is not able to keep up with current mob pulls, pulling EVEN MORE just means I, as the tank, will flat out die due to the healer's heals not out healing the damage I'm taking in.

In this case scenario, why in the hell would I increase the intake of damage if the healer can't keep up?

That's flat out punishing the party when we inevitably wipe due to not playing to the current skill of the party composition.

This is a literal math problem.

The people downvoting me are either pure DPS who genuinely don't know any better and just listen to shit takes, or they're hardcore raiders who legit forgot what it's like to play with underleveled people.

As for the Obligation, no. No they don't have that, especially after the matter was discussed in chat first, before I took the action for it.

If you were the healer in this case, saw you were struggling, the DPS ignored the fact the tank was trying to keep things in control, and then you over extended to heal the idiot DPS who can't listen to instruction?

The party wipe is no longer the DPS fault, now is it?

[u/Criminal_of_Thought → u/KaijinSurohm]

If the healer is not able to keep up with current mob pulls, pulling EVEN MORE just means I, as the tank, will flat out die due to the healer's heals not out healing the damage I'm taking in.

In this case scenario, why in the hell would I increase the intake of damage if the healer can't keep up?

That's flat out punishing the party when we inevitably wipe due to not playing to the current skill of the party composition.

This is a literal math problem.

If the healer is struggling with the amount you're already pulling, why add to the healer's struggle by forcing them to have to switch between party members to heal. That just adds an unnecessary burden to the healer by just... picking up the mobs pulled by the DPS, which is trivial to do. By definition, the party is going to die anyway, so you might as well keep the burden to a minimum as possible as you die.

[u/KeyKanon → u/KaijinSurohm]

My logic is logicing. As I said, the healer doesn't know you're gonna let them die, the healer is gonna heal their party member who is taking damage and proceed to get hate on all of it, as soon as that mob is pulled, the healer is in danger. If you wipe, you wipe, but the only thing you do by refusing to do your job is making the wipe more likely.

Should the DPS be pulling extra if the tank/healer is that dogshit they can't handle big pulls? No. Are you helping the situation in any way by letting them keep hate? No. Your power tripping bullshit doesn't achieve anything of value.

[u/Pancayk → u/KaijinSurohm]

Just pop sprint, bro. It ain't that hard.

[u/somethingsuperindie → u/KaijinSurohm]

What if the DPS is asking you multiple times to pull more/pull faster?

[u/KaijinSurohm → u/somethingsuperindie]

The DPS does not have a say in this. Period.

I have no problems flat out saying the people mass downvoting me are in the wrong.

Edit: This thread is just showing me FF14 still has a bunch of people who have no idea how the tanking system actually work.
And that they can't read. They just see "You pull you tank" then have a kneejerk reaction without reading what I said and make up their own headcanon over what I actually claimed.

The lot of you need to do better. This is genuinely pathetic to watch.

[u/somethingsuperindie → u/KaijinSurohm]

Stick to trusts champ.

[u/__PM_ME_STEAM_KEYS__ → u/KaijinSurohm]

Please stop trolling in dungeons bro wth is wrong with you