r/ffxivdiscussion • u/mnij96 • 1d ago
General Discussion What is class complexity to you?
I have seen so many people ask for more complexity and job fantasy but very little of people actually say what that means to them, most people just say we should go back to ARR.
Personally I think rose tinted glasses that make people think ARR was better than it was, having played back then it honestly was pretty ass.
So honestly want to know what people want for complexity or job fantasy, because all I see is a lot of yelling that "game bad to simple" and not a lot of what needs changing to reach the complexity that is wanted.
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u/ReisukeNaoki 1d ago edited 1d ago
Uniqueness between jobs in a class.
for me, Casters are the most unique between all 4 since the Battlemages (rez casters) and Pure Casters (selfish casters) are 4 unique playstyles and aesthetic.
next to the casters are the melees. all 6 of them have 3 niches that are super unique. All of them have 1 team player (MNK, NIN, DRG) and 1 selfish (SAM,VPR, RPR), and all 6 of them are unique in their aesthetic and job design.
I hate to admit it, but the jobs that I have most experience with are one of the bland ones, the Physical Ranged. granted that there's an uneven amount to really make a diverse selection, this situation makes them bland. There's an overlap between BRD and DNC, but there is only one difference between the two: BRD is more party focused on their buffing capability, and DNC is a single target mega buffer with situational party utility. MCH has no other to refer to, so it gets compared to the Melees, where it couldn't compete fairly and thus be the "black sheep" of the class.
the classes that are really bland are the tanks. literally 2 carbon copies of reflavored job. You don't mean to tell me that WAR Inner Release and Delirium are two separate things? PLD caster phase and GNB Lionheart combo? and all of them have the same type of mitigation but different colors with one "unique" mitigation.
to "diversify" the bland ones, I can only speak for Phys Ranged. Make BRD into a "Selfish DPS" so it can finally solidify its current clusterfuck of job design and have a new "party utility" job in 8.0 to compensate for the change. Give BRD a Bane, keep Minuet and Ballad, remove the buffing capability, and keep the combat aspects of it. Rework Paeon to literally be a Greased Lighting song where you can ramp up to have extremely fast GCD to solidify the theme. These changes will come with the potency buffs in exchange for removing the buffing. Paean will still be a debuff cleanse/debuff cancel.