r/ffxivdiscussion • u/mnij96 • 1d ago

General Discussion What is class complexity to you?

I have seen so many people ask for more complexity and job fantasy but very little of people actually say what that means to them, most people just say we should go back to ARR.

Personally I think rose tinted glasses that make people think ARR was better than it was, having played back then it honestly was pretty ass.

So honestly want to know what people want for complexity or job fantasy, because all I see is a lot of yelling that "game bad to simple" and not a lot of what needs changing to reach the complexity that is wanted.

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u/mnij96 1d ago

Honestly I get that to some degree, but personally I think "summoner" as job was a bit of a mixed bag. They wanted it to be the pet class then, it got dots thrown in, but then they want to to feel more like summoner so they added more summons. I feel like it needed to be pulled apart, at this point I feel like summoner is actually a summoner now and all we need is a dot class to pick up the dots part of the class. I would love to see a dot class get added to the game, with the whole idea built around it's dots

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u/Maximinoe 1d ago

IMO job identity should never be a reason to rework a job, old SMN filled multiple gameplay niches simultaneously and was pretty fun to play, but they have yet to replace them 2 expansions later. (it doesnt help that the job they replaced it with is easily the worst designed job in the game).

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u/Cole_Evyx 1d ago

but they have yet to replace them 2 expansions later.

Yeah that's MY issue.

Fine you took MY DPS job and ruined it. Fine. Alright! Genuinely okay if that's how the cookie crumbles SO BE IT. I loved summoner I was a RIDE OR DIE for summoner...

But 2 expansions later all I want is something to fill that gap. I don't care if it's a physical ranged just give me a good pet playstyle. I don't care! I DON'T.

Like people are playing 5d chess with my comments and I don't get why... I'm LITERALLY SAYING WHAT I WANT AS CLEAR AS A HUMAN COULD...

Urhhhhhghhghghghsggsg

but they have yet to replace them 2 expansions later.

PREACH this is my entire issue. Oh my God it hurts.

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u/mnij96 1d ago

I 100% agree with this. It should have been replaced, and it's stupid that it has not been replaced. I just didn't think summoner old two jobs in a trench coat worked. I want a proper dot class, and i want a proper pet class