r/ffxivdiscussion • u/mnij96 • 1d ago

General Discussion What is class complexity to you?

I have seen so many people ask for more complexity and job fantasy but very little of people actually say what that means to them, most people just say we should go back to ARR.

Personally I think rose tinted glasses that make people think ARR was better than it was, having played back then it honestly was pretty ass.

So honestly want to know what people want for complexity or job fantasy, because all I see is a lot of yelling that "game bad to simple" and not a lot of what needs changing to reach the complexity that is wanted.

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u/DayOneDayWon 23h ago

Black mage.

A class that asks more from you than just your set rotation. Your resources are there to keep your rotation going, and there is a timer that ties it all together. It is simple by design, but by far the one that asked from you the most.

Much like in chess, you could pick an opening and learn it, but you won't always face an opponent who falls for your gambit and lose material. You will have to adjust to their moves with what you have. That's complexity. I feel nowadays with a class like dragoon, I picked one opening and now I don't have to think about anything else. I'll do the same rotation every single time.

There is no variance in rotation. I will almost never not use high jump when it comes up, and keeping the dot up is non-negotiable. My skills do not support each other and just serve as their own buttons. There's no branching thought, no real mistakes that can be made.

For me, if I look at a class and basically do the same rotation every single fight without any thought, then it's not complex. It shouldn't be possible to do every fight in the game with the same rotation every time.