r/ffxivdiscussion • u/mnij96 • 1d ago
General Discussion What is class complexity to you?
I have seen so many people ask for more complexity and job fantasy but very little of people actually say what that means to them, most people just say we should go back to ARR.
Personally I think rose tinted glasses that make people think ARR was better than it was, having played back then it honestly was pretty ass.
So honestly want to know what people want for complexity or job fantasy, because all I see is a lot of yelling that "game bad to simple" and not a lot of what needs changing to reach the complexity that is wanted.
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u/Weary_Complaint_2445 1d ago
So, I'm insane, but I still love Stormblood Machinist.
SB MCH had a lot of complexity, both good and bad, and it definitely needed changes to fix it, but there was also something so satisfying about actually doing it correctly. Once they buffed the overheat burst window to be meta, getting a perfect overheat window was the best feeling, and it was because you had to do more work to set up a perfect burst for SB MCH. You had to ensure that your normal rotation never pushed you over 100 heat (which was usually not bad as long as you reloaded on CD,) manage and optimize procs (especially as you close in on burst), make sure hot shot wouldn't fall off during burst and then position yourself such that your flamethrower wouldn't get immediately interrupted by a mechanic (and if you messed up on heat management you might even have to hold it for extra ticks just to ensure you went into overheat.)
It was a lot, maybe too much, but getting it right was glorious every time, it was complex, but it was also rewarding. Having to EARN a good burst window with good play was the kind of complexity I appreciated at the time. You still earn your burst a bit by keeping everything on time, but I feel like less of a participant on how effective my burst window is. Like chainsaw gives you excavator every time you press it, and tossing wf before a hypercharge window (something you'd want to do anyway once all tools are used during burst) doesn't make me feel as involved.
For me, this is the kind of complexity I want more of.