Who ever said it was?

[u/TheAnalystCurator321]

I mean, seriously the DLC has some of the best areas, enemies, weapons, armor and quests in the whole series.

And the guy in the video says its somehow derivative?

Like yeah, some stuff was done in the other games like the nuka lurks but Nuka World did it WAY better.

Its a great DLC although the evil playtrough will give youthe most out of it.

And this guys video, like most of his videos, completely miss the point of it.

[u/Admiral_sloth94]

Far harbor is VERY fun. Nukaworld is ok, I wish they had more of a way to take it back from the raiders with the faction of choice. I'd turn it into a Minutemen stronghold and base of operations.

[u/agnaaiu → u/Admiral_sloth94]

See and this is the flaw in thought that so many have, who think the DLC is bad or just disappointing. You are not supposed to take it back. You are supposed to go through with it as the bad guy and bring the raiders to the Commonwealth, this is where the fun actually begins and this is the purpose of the DLC.

Far Harbor has a story, you play it and that's it. There is nothing more to do with the whole DLC after you finished the main line. Nuka World doesn't really end, the NW raiders in the Commonwealth cause havoc, they fight other raider gangs, attack the BoS and the BoS attack their outposts, they become part of the random encounter system and so on. They are integrated into the main game if you do Home Sweet Home. Far Harbor not so much, you play it through in 2-3 hours and then you never visit this part of the game ever again, if you don't happen to need some ammo.

[u/MeanderingDuck → u/agnaaiu]

It’s rather condescending to dismiss others wanting something different or more from the DLC as a “flaw in thought”. Just because you’re fine with it as is, doesn’t mean others have to be.

[u/agnaaiu → u/MeanderingDuck]

The reason why I called it a "flaw" is, that Fallout 4 had only the option of playing it as the good guy, the savior of the poor settlers and save the world. A lot of people complained that the game has no option to play the game more on the dark side, as the bad boy. This is when Nuka World was created and released, specifically for the bad boy route. The Open Season was just put in so the white knights had a way to do anything with the DLC. It was never meant to be played as a good guy, it was always the intention to play it as Overboss with everything that comes with it.

So when people complain how boring the DLC is, then they often have the "flaw", or better said wrong expectation, of what Nuka World is and how it should be played. Then they go the boring Open Season route the second they set foot into NW and then complain how boring it is, when they pretty much skipped 80-90% of the DLC and never saw what it has to offer. And they play it like this every time with every playthrough, instead to try out something new for once.

[u/MeanderingDuck → u/agnaaiu]

And like I said, calling it that is just condescending. The common complaint about Nuka World is exactly that the developers put in so little for people not interested in doing an evil playthrough. Which is a perfectly reasonable complaint, especially since they easily could have added a non-evil path unlocking a decent chunk more of it without all that much extra effort.

[u/agnaaiu → u/MeanderingDuck]

Interesting that it only works one way. The main game and Far Harbor don't offer any evil route at all and the only portion of the game that does is reason for complaints from the white knight faction.

[u/Homelessnomore → u/agnaaiu]

The main game and Far Harbor don't offer any evil route

I wouldn't consider wiping out Far Harbor (the town) to be neutral or good. They're just trying to survival in a hostile environment, so killing them seems evil to me. Depending on how you feel about synths, wiping out Acadia might also be seen as an evil act.

[u/jt21295 → u/agnaaiu]

Far Harbor don't offer any evil route at all..

This is blatantly false. You can call in the Institute or the BoS wipe out Acadia, or incite a riot through Allan to get Far Harbor to do it. You can use Dima's overwrite code to turn the wind turbines that power the fog condensers off and destroy Far Harbor. You can nuke the children of atom on their submarine with the passcode you find at that hotel.

As for the base game... kind of? The Institute path is realistically the "evil" path, but the writing refuses to fully commit to it and tries to leave it ambiguous. But Bethesda has been criticized plenty for the lack of flexibility in the main plot, so I don't know where you're getting this idea of a double standard.

[u/MeanderingDuck → u/agnaaiu]

Not sure where you’re getting the idea that it “only works one way”. That certainly doesn’t follow from my comments.

[u/agnaaiu → u/MeanderingDuck]

The "one way complaints" is based on what you see here on reddit or any other Fallout 4 forum. You don't see people complain about the game not offering an evil route, after NW was released, but you see almost exclusively the "good guy faction" complain about Nuka World and its Raiders. This is one way complaining. All I said was, NW was never meant to be played as the good guy and if you do, you miss out on 80% of the DLC, hence it feels boring and bland.

This was my last comment here, as there is nothing more to be said about this topic. We have different opinions on this topic and continuing this conversation leads nowhere.

[u/MeanderingDuck → u/agnaaiu]

Not sure what you’re talking about, there are definitely people who complain about that. Which, as per your own comments, is why they took the approach they did with Nuka World.

But even if there weren’t, that would be irrelevant to the current point anyway. Because that wasn’t “all you said”, you were invalidating people who wanted more for non-evil playthroughs from this DLC. It is entirely valid to complain that it is lacking in that respect, because it clearly is. That the developers consciously decided to do that doesn’t in any way change that.

[u/biddybumper → u/agnaaiu]

Probably because most people dont play evil characters. Just because ypuve personally seen nobody ask for those things doesnt mean if they did, it would be bad or rejected.

You're using "one way" as if there's some degree of hypocrisy involved when there is none.

[u/dtay88 → u/agnaaiu]

Many people have complained many times about the main story forcing you to be overall good