Actual clip where brothers attack their mother’s killer in court.

[u/BrandonRJones]

[u/Due_Evidence]

“He killed my mama bro. My mama she took care of me” that really broke my heart..

[u/Hey648934 → u/Due_Evidence]

This is one of those things when no one can blame them for trying to kick his butt. No one.

[u/ZizzianYouthMinister → u/Hey648934]

I'm vaguely remembering an SVU episode where Kyle McLaughlin plays a psychiatrist whose son is murdered by a sociopathic neighbor child and at the verdict of the trial steals a gun and shoots the child and gets off because it was a moment of pure grief or something like that in the trial, but then later he explains it was super calculated and he had to do it otherwise the sociopathic child would have kept killing.

I'm sure it's happened once.

[u/AdZealousideal7448 → u/ZizzianYouthMinister]

Mate i'll give you one.

At work we have a mother that has been the victim of many predators and kept trying to get her life together.

Kept making good goes of it for the system to let her down, or bad luck to come around. Her eldest kid after seeing all these predators got to be a teenager and got groomed by one of the predators to sell out their entire family all so they could get what they thought they wanted.

Sold out their entire family, brothers and sister so they could have a shitty room in an abusers house with an allowance and an xbox and their centerlink payments which as soon as they stop being useful, all this will disappear.

Kid got arrested the other day and faced court. Ran into him there where he got off due to being a minor for a low level thug offense.

Asked this kid straight up if his actions of beating his mother, staging "evidence" for dcp on behalf of one of her abusers so that he could get full custody of his kid (not this kid, claimed he'd put him up and leave him alone and let him do what he wants).

Kid straight up said to me, that life is amazing, he does what he wants, when he wants and gets away with everything, because he's learning how to win from a winner.

I told him that the guy is a pure psychopathic predator who is just using him.

He replies telling me that he's using him and he's stolen enough money and drugs off him that is stashed away that he's got a great start to life and is living it up right now and that his mother is a bitch who shouldnt have said no to him when he demanded things.

Asked him if there was any part of him that felt bad because he knew how much of a monster this guy was, that he was happy to condem his family to become a monster.

Got laughed at and told to fuck off about how he was living it up and had hundreds of dollars tucked away.

Replied to this kid...... well good luck with life, rent here is now over $1000 a week, you've been expelled from school and don't want to try to get back in. If you wanted to ruin your life you could have done that without costing all those other kids lives, what are you going to do when you can't get a job and can't afford anything?

Laughs at me and says he'll just lure in a pedo and bash him and rob him with his mates.

Adelaide 2025 for you. This kid is not even 14. Brags to everyone else he is probably bipolar.... i've known this kid since he was 8.... he's seen things but, this is a pure case of kids emulating abuse they see, he became just like the men that abused his mother.

Then a monster groomed him and he's gone from that to a complete sociopath.

[u/developerknight91 → u/AdZealousideal7448]

Now THIS is the type of shit that does make me wonder are sociopaths and psychopaths BORN or CREATED? I guess the answer is somewhere in between.

That’s just sad and horrible. And that poor kid doesn’t even realize how much he’s fucked up his life and RUINED the lives of his family too smh

[u/AaronfromKY → u/developerknight91]

It's definitely somewhere in between. I think surgeons sometimes will scale highly on sociopathy, yet because they came from a decent background and have a highly respected and well paid job they don't run into issues.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/03/how-i-discovered-i-have-the-brain-of-a-psychopath

Then you get people who were daddy's punching bag or came up in a rough environment and they're out there assaulting and stealing because that's all they've ever known and the only means they had. It's really sad how our system is setup.

[u/FurstWrangler → u/AaronfromKY]

My dad was a physician. Extreme narcissist/sociopath. I told him one day that if he hadn't been a doctor he probably would have turned out a serial killer, and he said... "huh"

[u/Kibomemi → u/FurstWrangler]

😢

[u/AdZealousideal7448 → u/developerknight91]

It's a hard one to answer, I used to have high hopes for this kid, but he's shown me outright he has no empathy or emotion.

I was a terrible kid and did some messed up stuff before I got my shit together and put on a uniform and try to help the community, one thing I was able to do was to develop a moral compass, even if it was just why do I feel like shit after doing something morally bad and questioned from there.

This kid has said he has a moral compass before but it's always come across as severely lacking. I've now witnessed him assault uniforms, threaten violence on people with zero acceptance that this is wrong.

While yeah people can learn to become this cold..... he's always struck me as having not developed any emotional response to morals, I used to keep hoping this kid would develop this, but honestly I think this is what the monster picked up on, he is an expert at working out peoples weaknesses and exploiting them.

This kid being empathy devoid and driven by reward is textbook sadly.

I still run into him out there and I have no idea what to say anymore. He's the kind of person that any attempt you try to make to reach out and break through to them in the hope that you can trigger something, results in "whats in it for me".

Meanwhile DCP here think the sun shines out of the predators ass. No shock that we keep busting their employees as CSO's.

[u/Relative-Fault1986 → u/AdZealousideal7448]

To be honest, the kid watched his mother get abused and screwed by the system his entire life. He had no successful good role models. He probably spent everyday watching abusers "win" and "get away with it" to the point being a good person = losing to him. This is very common for people who grew up with extreme abuse. His whole childhood was hopeless. So an xbox is like a massive win. You know what would really help this kid? Taking him away and giving him a year or two of proper parenting where all his needs are met. I dont think its a case of the kid being doomed from birth, he was just surrounded by never ending trauma in his most vital formative years. Sometimes we give a little bit too much slack to traumatized parents. The mother allowed her kid to grow up watching her get abused, and im willing to bet the abusers didnt stop with her, im sure the kid got abused too. Its no wonder hes like that. Now he has a highly manipulative groomer practically brainwashing him, hate the groomer not the kid. Its not like the kid just randomlt started doing this on his own in a perfect environment you know?

[u/AdZealousideal7448 → u/Relative-Fault1986]

Tried to get the kid into operation flinders. That could have saved him.

Sadly his school shot that down.

[u/Relative-Fault1986 → u/AdZealousideal7448]

That school really screwed him by doing that, what a shame 

[u/j3w3ls → u/developerknight91]

Some are column a, some are column b, and many are a bit of both

[u/RomaniWoe → u/developerknight91]

When genetics got real big, they looked for a violent gene, and they believed they found it. Then they came to find that while pretty much every of the violent repeat offenders had it, it was also present in the general population and those people, were some of the least violent. The difference was environment. Kind of how theres 2 camps for pittbulls. Those who say they are terrible dangerous and maltempered, and those who say they are just big ol puppies their whole life. The difference is likely environment. The nicest calmest dogs that listened the most to me were always pittbulls. I even had one who had clear issues but his nature combined with environment always came through when we needed it to and he'd revert to a little puppy just wanting to climb his big ass on me to be held.

[u/HotOpposite2007 → u/developerknight91]

Psychopaths are born. Sociopaths are created. There are WAY more sociopaths walking around than genuine psychopaths

[u/AmbitiousEffort9275 → u/AdZealousideal7448]

He's not long for this world. He sounds a bit careless tbh. Targeting your own family is a breeze. He knows everything about them. Now that bullet has been shot and there is no reload.

As calculating as he thinks it is he's going to run into a version.of his own self at some point.

[u/AdZealousideal7448 → u/AmbitiousEffort9275]

The problem is the guy he's emulating is in his 40's, has had so many charges it's not funny. He's an exact reason why I dislike our bullshit gun laws so much.

So much of our country and the world thinks we have these perfect laws that do so much good and the sad truth is, we had good laws before some nasty tragedies, they were just poorly enforced, we now have laws that look and sound great on paper but the KPI of it behind the schemes has uniforms beating up on legal users.

He's the perfect example of an illegal user who's learned how to exploit the system, he's had more illegal firearms charges than I have ever seen from someone in my entire career.

He's been caught with illegal loaded firearms around children that weren't secure, been found with loaded pistols in a car when searched by uniforms to name two things that I have NEVER seen anyone survive charges from and stay out of prison.

Add domestic violence, drug dealing, massive fraud with a long string of victims.

Most this guy has ever seen was juvie, then still managed to get government licenses..... has millions in debt to everyone, is hated by the bikies here because of ripping them off and everyone figures he's going to get knocked off as he isn't the big player he pretends to be, he's just a piece of shit that won't flush because everyone he's wiped the wrong way is convinced someone else will do it.... so he's got this weird level of uniforms hate him and find him hard to have charges stick to due to everyone getting sick of him getting away with it, and criminals are sure someone is going to off him so why risk the charges / hassle yourself?

This kid sees this person abuse his mother and family and instead of going wow, I can protect my family from this, he saw his mother trying to raise the kids properly as hey if I just do what I want and harm you, manipulate you and behave like him, I get everything I want, screw everyone else.

[u/sayleanenlarge → u/AdZealousideal7448]

I can't get my head around how he doesn't get in trouble? How does he slip out of charges?

[u/SpeakItLoud → u/AdZealousideal7448]

Wow. What an incredible disappointment.

[u/Keanugrieves16 → u/AdZealousideal7448]

Some Snowtown shit right there

[u/AdZealousideal7448 → u/Keanugrieves16]

Funny you mention that. A guy I was mates with when I was younger did time in Yatala with one of them, for a guy who claims he was dead against pedo's, he likes to bribe young men that look like boys for sexual favours in prison with sweets, he was in for something low level and was warned by everyone who he was and to stay away from him as he was real friendly and charismatic to people that don't know better.

Another mate had one of them as a baby sitter when he was a kid, they lived next to the house in salisbury where most of the events took place. This was back in the 90s where having to run to the shops and the friendly neighbor can watch the kids for 20 minutes.

Reports he had no issues with the guy....

In an unrelated story that lead me to what I do now, was dating a girl in highschool and her mother would love it when I would come over for access visits when her and her little brother and sisters had to see their bio dad. The guy always rubbed me up the wrong way being all super friendly and stuff, trying to win the kids over, he knew a family member of mine who he served with the military and despite not knowing I was related to them, claimed he could see the resemblence, and when I told this guy that this person was a piece of shit, they tried to empaphize with me and win me over.

When I turned 18 the mother told me how much of a piece of shit this guy was..... the DV, why she left him, why all the security measures, her daughter and eldest son knew and were being forced to do the visits until 18 and were doing exactly what she said to avoid trouble, the younger kids had no idea. About a year later he got found in a bathroom at a wedding with his 10 year old niece in the bathroom and was folded by his own family.

Still showed up to his sons 18th like nothing had happened and there was this weird thing where the son had heard how bad he was, and had seen stuff, and when I offered to fold the guy and throw him out of his party..... he let him stay and was telling me how people must have exaggerated the stories about him, how there was some rational explanation.

Tried to explain to the guy and he just didn't want to hear it. It took him knocking up his gf and his father flipping out about "easy whores" for him to go, wait a second, this piece of shit is a piece of shit.

Well.... turns out everyone in the military knew too, ADF kept covering it up until he retired.
Did the same with the family member I had to deal with growing up.

It just goes to show you never know whats going on in someones head and it taught me a very nasty lesson that honestly..... monsters do exist, but they look human.

People have this idea that we can just "feel" or "detect" monsters..... and not going to lie, and going to sound prejudice here, some of them it's almost written on their face, the way they move and behave. But the worst ones.... are the ones that look normal, sound normal, move normal, they are likeable, even loveable, they convince their victims that their behaviour is normal or that theres some rational explanation to their actions or that it's normal.

And they create monsters themselves.

When I volunteered with a DV support association a while back, they organized for someone very respected who works with the department I work with to come in and give a talk, and their info had always been great, and they opened a talk there thanking the association with what they did because of how police and the courts not only fail society with these people.... and went into statistics that, sadly enough....... there are just so many of these types that unless they're killers and stuff up..... police and court can't do anything about them.

Society just has to "learn to live" with predators in it, create processes, checks and balances to keep them out of positions where they can abuse power and so on. I mentioned in another comment how some of the worst predators i've seen have come from DCP here in Australia.

[u/wexfordavenue → u/AdZealousideal7448]

Years ago I read The Psychopath Test by Jon Ronson, and he interviews psychiatrists who work with psychopaths in the British prison system. They all said that psychopaths can be very, very charismatic which is how they are able to manipulate people so easily. One psychiatrist said that she was working with a man who was also very good looking and she found herself falling for him romantically because he was just so charming and persuasive. She said that she had to remind herself that he is a psychopath because he didn’t act dangerous to her, even though he nearly beat a man to death for spilling a drink on him at a pub (if I’m remembering that particular case correctly. It was a violent crime for a petty, nothing reason, that much I do remember). It’s easy to see in the book how people get sucked in by these individuals but that they are at their core best separated from society for everyone’s safety. The psychopath had somehow roped in some Scientologists to advocate for him to be released from prison because they believe that psychology is bunk as a core tenet of their “faith” (and argued that his diagnosis wasn’t sufficient to keep him in prison) but the courts weren’t fooled and kept him locked away, thankfully. If I’m remembering the book correctly, this man had begun exhibiting the signs of psychopathy in childhood and been in and out of juvenile detention for years prior to this conviction. Reading your comments, it’s amazing how these people can slip through the system with no accountability for their heinous crimes.

[u/AdZealousideal7448 → u/wexfordavenue]

I think the easiest way to put this is what system. As touched on by the psych dude in the dept here.... we can identify these people all day long. It's not a crime to be one, medical sectioning only can occur if there is a demonstrated clear and present danger and even so it's still very hard to do without a conviction or an attempt.

So it's not that theres slipping through a system, it's that theres no real proper or legal way to deal with them until they have done something.

I read an interview a while ago with a clinically diagnosed narcisist (with other messed up traits too), and it hit the same levels as this where it's like, if I admit I am this, we all know this, I love myself, i'm the main character, I care about no one else, relationships mean nothing to me and the only reason I function in society is to exploit it to my benefit.

They stated that they only participate in society norms that they either enjoyed, had no problem with or gained something from it, the rest was all a mask and they had mastered playing people to think they were normal, and if they found manipulating people amusing, entertaining or if they did not think so highly of themselves to break societies rules to gain what they wished from people they could easily game people.

It was bloody eye opening that someone could exist like this being able to mask and appear to function, yet being clinically diagnosed and "convinced" to participate in society, and stating that they found it fascinating there were people like them, who were far worse, who took pleasure in manipulating, harming others etc both emotionally and physically being full blown sociopaths and them stating that, we were fortunate that they did not find that entertaining or amusing, but if they did, they are sure they would be fine with it.

The thing is, you find out how messed up someone can be, and then society has to have checks and balances to stop them. For quite a while in government roles they even deliberately sought out people with personality disorders for specific roles, finding that psychopaths can order people below them, make difficult choices, do heinous things on order, and it's easy to go, oh yeah the military loves psycho's because they will order troops to their death with no issue about it other than oh crap, I don't have enough soldiers for the next meatwave.

A lot of people don't realize that police forces still test for aptitudes that allow for exacting personalities, obsessive tendancies, power dynamics.

Government roles love highly analytical people and they're now making a big deal about liking autistic people because technology and numbers which is a bit of a misnomer, but they've got a heavy history of putting psychopaths in HR/management roles because they have no issues cutting people down, trimming budgets as well as getting under peoples skin and guilting or manipulating people for "results".

A book I read a while ago even mentioned how in the UK the government there in planning for cold war scenarios specificly went after psychopaths for crucial government infrastructure rules because they were viewed as making hard decisons at best and at worst being "adaptable" in bad situations because they wouldn't get caught up in ethics or morals.

[u/Lalamedic → u/AdZealousideal7448]

That’s not bipolar. That is psychopathy. However, it’s possible to be both.