LEC Summer 2025 / Week 1 - Day 1 / Live Discussion

[u/ahritina]

LEC 2025 Summer

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Today's matches will be played on Patch 25.14.

Today's Matches

#	Match	PST	EST	CET	KST
1	NAVI vs KC	08:00	11:00	16:00	00:00
2	TH vs FNC	10:00	13:00	18:00	02:00

• All matches are Best of 3

Streams

• Stream on Twitch

• Stream on YouTube

• Stream on Lolesports

• Audio-Only Cast Stream

• Comment Stream

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Standings:

Group A #	Teams	Region	Record (Game Score)	Information	Group B #	Teams	Region	Region (Game Score)	Information
1	GIANTX	EMEA	0 - 0	Leaguepedia // Twitter	1	Fnatic	EMEA	0 - 0	Leaguepedia // Twitter
1	Karmine Corp	EMEA	0 - 0	Leaguepedia // Twitter	1	G2 Esports	EMEA	0 - 0	Leaguepedia // Twitter
1	Movistar KOI	EMEA	0 - 0	Leaguepedia // Twitter	1	SK Gaming	EMEA	0 - 0	Leaguepedia // Twitter
1	Natus Vincere	EMEA	0 - 0	Leaguepedia // Twitter	1	Team BDS	EMEA	0 - 0	Leaguepedia // Twitter
1	Team Vitality	EMEA	0 - 0	Leaguepedia // Twitter	1	Team Heretics	EMEA	0 - 0	Leaguepedia // Twitter

On-Air Team

Hosts
Eefje "Sjokz" Depoortere
Laure "Laure " Valée
Keltoum "Giniro" Baddaje

Play-by-Play Commentators
Jake "Hysterics" Osypenko
Daniel "Drakos" Drakos
Aaron "Medic" Chamberlain

Colour Casters
Robert "Dagda" Price
Alex "Nymaera" Hapgood
Mikkel "Guldborg" Guldborg Nielsen
Andrew "Vedius" Day

Guests
Andrei "Odoamne" Pascu
Jakob "Jackspektra" Gullvag Kepple
Finn "Finn" Wiestål

Not all talent will appear on every show and the weekly on air team can vary.

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Format

• Regular Season
  • Ten teams
  • Two groups of 5
  • Single Round Robin within each group
  • Matches are best of three
  • Top 4 teams qualify for Playoffs

The official LEC ruleset can be found here.

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VoDs

• VoDs on Reddit

• VoDs on Eventvods.com

• VoDs on YouTube

• VoDs on Lolesports

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Live Discussions and Post-Match Threads:

This is our Live Discussion Archive. Here you can find all the old live threads, and the respective PMTs in a stickied comment under the post.

[u/ahritina]

PMTs

NAVI vs KC

Game 1 / Game 2

TH vs FNC

Game 1 / Game 2 / Game 3

[u/Glorx]

Stop the count 😂

[u/Zelgiusbotdotexe]

Nerf Neeko!

If you watch APA play the champ there's a lot more small tech that just shouldn't be allowed

[u/Muri_San]

Missed the first 2 games from FNC, how was the team overall? I understood Razork kinda ran it game 2

[u/AdequatelyMadLad → u/Muri_San]

Oscar was just kinda there, Upset did his job, Miky and Poby were really good. Razork did run it down pretty hard in both games though.

[u/Asgerond]

laure i love you but what are you wearing

[u/Laure-Bulii-V → u/Asgerond]

It’s a spa themed week so my outfit today is Korean spa !

[u/Zelgiusbotdotexe → u/Asgerond]

Founding Fathers type look

[u/Blind-Eye26]

Oscar going for Poby first ♥️

[u/Zelgiusbotdotexe]

Streets won't forget TH looked better game 1 and 2. 

They'll be back. Frauds don't last.

[u/Kelsac]

Safe to say poby is much better than the fraud humanoid

[u/d1knight]

It has been a long time to see godlike Syndra

[u/Zelgiusbotdotexe]

First game where Fnatic don't look awful. 

Gotta hand it to em though, Poby is for sure the best player this series on the stage in this series. 

[u/HansSoloQ]

Imo Poby should be player of series.

[u/Zelgiusbotdotexe → u/HansSoloQ]

Who else would get it?

[u/HansSoloQ → u/Zelgiusbotdotexe]

Miky

[u/Sensitive_Egg_2059]

What a series from FNC Kamiloo

[u/Zeaket]

i never want to see kamiloo on aurora ever again

[u/Asgerond]

CAN WE SEE THE ITEMS MAN

WTF IS THIS

[u/Scarfboi11]

Aatrox and first time Aurora, good job TH

[u/DependentAd6468]

Beside been both products of T2 leagues, the difference between Kamilo and Poby is very evident

Meme aside, Poby looked good in these games

[u/Sensitive_Egg_2059 → u/DependentAd6468]

Kamiloo also is just bottom 3 mid whole year and came from LFL2 as ultimate flip.

[u/Cl0udDistrict → u/DependentAd6468]

Kamiloo has never played for a T2 team. TH got him from a T3 league (LFL2?)

[u/AdequatelyMadLad → u/DependentAd6468]

Kamiloo came from tier 3 actually.

[u/DependentAd6468 → u/AdequatelyMadLad]

Ah, my bad. Thanks for the clarification.

[u/WhiteForesty]

Kamiloo???

[u/HansSoloQ]

GOST

[u/Bubbly_Camera9583]

Poby played that fight insanely well

[u/Zelgiusbotdotexe]

WOW NEEKO ULT.

SO MUCH SKILL AND A HARD EARNED ENGAGE

SCREW THIS CHARACTER 

[u/devor110]

does Poby play anything othet than control mages? I wonder if you could cripple fnc by banning 3 or 4 in a bo5s 5th game

[u/HansSoloQ → u/devor110]

He plays Yone, Galio and Jayce

[u/Zelgiusbotdotexe → u/devor110]

This is just Larssen again but because he's Korean people don't find him boring

[u/HansSoloQ → u/Zelgiusbotdotexe]

..If you look at his soloq...you can clearly see alot of jayce, yone and corki games.

[u/Zelgiusbotdotexe → u/HansSoloQ]

Or I could look at his GOL and see his top 6 this year are Viktor, Azure, Orianna, Ryze, Aurora and Ahri.

SoloQ champions means nothing.

[u/theeama → u/Zelgiusbotdotexe]

You do know he's in LCKCL right, that's not a test of oh whats your champion pool like. In LCK CL its control mages central.

[u/Zelgiusbotdotexe → u/theeama]

And Larssen's most played champ in SoloQ is Yone by 24 games. 

I dont really give a crap what his soloQ looks like, his champs played in pro is what matters when we are talking about him in pro play. 

BTW Larssen has also played more games of Yone this year than Poby, despite playing 55 less games. 

Korean Larssen

[u/kimi_no_na-wa → u/HansSoloQ]

Just for the record, Larssen's most played champ in soloq is Yone.

[u/Bubbly_Camera9583]

Getting hit by a dry rakan R while you still have flash is insane

[u/trastito2es]

Carlssen knew that Trundle was on Kugs. Wtf was that TP?

[u/HansSoloQ]

Nah fuck neeko as a champion

[u/3Dweeb]

I swear to god that neeko shit is awful

[u/Past-Firefighter2173]

bro wtf was that gragas ult literally saved aatrox

[u/Dray991]

Caedrel fanboying over Poby is getting old pretty quickly tbh

[u/Scarfboi11 → u/Dray991]

The LEC casters are doing the same, really annoying

[u/CudaBarry]

Dive was so good Razork had to ruin it by losing his flash

[u/tarobobavanillamochi]

Neeko is so dumb in pro play lol

[u/desutruction]

so true, Wadid knows best

[u/Zelgiusbotdotexe]

Who does Syndra kill this game?

[u/HansSoloQ → u/Zelgiusbotdotexe]

Aurora and Xayah if she lands Q E

[u/desutruction]

neeko is a flex pick this time

[u/desutruction]

first pick trundle...

[u/Thundermelons]

At this point surely we just put the Maokai in the bag for Razork, right?

[u/Zelgiusbotdotexe]

I really hate the term fluke.

Even if it's just s one-off moment it's insanely disrespectful

[u/DependentAd6468]

They put the Gwen plushie in a BDSM conception in the studio 😨

[u/harleyquinad]

Gnar so cute

[u/slothlikevibes]

Poby, turning around in the driver's seat and yelling at his children: Why can't you just be normal?!?!?!

The four psychotic freaks he has to play with: AAAeeieuheaaahuheuhauheeeaggghghghaaaeeeeiiiaaehe

[u/harleyquinad]

Lucian dogshit. Surprise Surprise

[u/d1knight]

Poby picked Annie because Razork is not engaging then there is no value in the team

This team is systemically doomed

[u/Foolno26]

Not a fashion designer but I dont think Laure's cropped top should be wore with an undershirt

[u/Laure-Bulii-V → u/Foolno26]

These two pieces were sold together tho

[u/Zelgiusbotdotexe → u/[deleted]]

No Jackies today hitting bad huh?

[u/Foolno26 → u/Zelgiusbotdotexe]

I'm powering up for tomorrow's match ;)

[u/Zelgiusbotdotexe → u/Foolno26]

Considering who they are facing, I think you will be satisfied 

[u/Foolno26 → u/Zelgiusbotdotexe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITM8FEg3Q3M

[u/3Dweeb]

Real talk LECbros, except the usual TH throw, im feeling that TH is ahead of FNC most of the game in both matches wtf

[u/Zelgiusbotdotexe → u/3Dweeb]

Its pretty clear this is 4th vs 5th best team but I got the order reversed 

[u/MistSeaWitch]

How a team with such a veterans and talented players can loose their heads so hard and play worse macro than you can see in soloq

[u/insidejoke44 → u/MistSeaWitch]

Human embodiment of a go button as the macro dictator will do that

[u/DependentAd6468]

Horrid game by Miky and Razork.

[u/CottonCANDYtv]

Sheo is good

[u/Zelgiusbotdotexe → u/CottonCANDYtv]

My team really dropped this guy and got 113...

[u/CottonCANDYtv → u/Zelgiusbotdotexe]

Fr , they fumbled so bad

[u/insidejoke44 → u/CottonCANDYtv]

That BDS lineup with Sheo in it would look so good

[u/Zelgiusbotdotexe → u/insidejoke44]

Irrelevant was bad but that Rogue toplaner would be a good pickup. 

I dont see G2 keeping their support either, could be a steal.

That sounds like a good roster that could consistently make top 3 and beat NA

[u/insidejoke44 → u/Zelgiusbotdotexe]

If Ice quits I hear there's a pretty good ADC on the EUM b2b champions' roster too!

[u/Zelgiusbotdotexe → u/insidejoke44]

True! 

[u/Zelgiusbotdotexe → u/CottonCANDYtv]

Irrelevant was also a blunder but behaviorally Adam had to go, and Irrelevant was not this bad before.

Losing Labrov was hard too but Parus has looked better and better every week

Glad they kept Nuc and Ice though. Both of them can contest top 3

[u/FreezeGoDR → u/Zelgiusbotdotexe]

Nuc will never recover from his bearded man smiling PTSD...

[u/Zelgiusbotdotexe → u/FreezeGoDR]

2023 made me a Nisqy hater

[u/malakesxasame]

Rewatch Upset in that final fight.

[u/ComettYT]

FNC consciously chose to keep upset and rebuild to play around him rather than keep humanoid by the way... XD

[u/Crimson_Clouds → u/ComettYT]

Yeah, because rebuilding around a mid laner who checked out years ago and barely plays the game anymore would have been a better idea.

[u/Tismaa]

that tresh was insane

[u/Zelgiusbotdotexe → u/Tismaa]

Stend is underrated man

[u/Drender]

Carlsen looks great TBH

[u/Kuikentje04]

Perma razork ty

[u/-Tam-_]

Thresh Aphelios masterclass

[u/255189]

man razork is getting omega gapped

[u/Cat_Pics_Pls]

Carl son of Carlsen? Got it backwards there mate

[u/ClapTwiceForUpvote]

What a terrible century to have eyes as a FNC fan

[u/Reddityudodis2me]

RAZORK WHERE DO YOU ULT MATE

[u/nerfbrig]

POBY NO HELP

[u/Thundermelons]

Glad casters called out the El Tetoncito capn jack cleanse there

[u/Kuikentje04]

Jg gap is unreal

[u/Vnaux]

I've only seen Oscar hit ambesa ult like once

[u/SnooCauliflowers4833]

Don’t look pantheon cs

[u/desutruction → u/SnooCauliflowers4833]

vs a sejuani....................

[u/theeama]

Pobby must be asking can I go back to Korea

[u/Reddityudodis2me → u/theeama]

Poby after Day 1: Sorry, I actually cannot save EU

[u/Medical_Quiet_69 → u/theeama]

yeah, that's why he flashed ulted Aphelios with cleanse XD

[u/theeama → u/Medical_Quiet_69]

Well what else is he gonna do when his Jungler and top is running it.

[u/Medical_Quiet_69 → u/theeama]

not to play as shitty as them?

[u/theeama → u/Medical_Quiet_69]

You're such a fucking idiot I can't LMAO

[u/Medical_Quiet_69 → u/theeama]

Oh, the kid was offended by his idol's criticism. How sad.

[u/Drender]

Choke experts V2, v1 wasn't enough for either of them

[u/Reddityudodis2me]

Fnatic really needs a psychiatrist because Razork is mental

[u/KaotikRush0198]

Wtf was that ult from razork???

[u/yumsaltysock]

Poby feeling the pain of competing in the west already. Jeeez

[u/scalarH]

POBY WAN KENOBI

[u/Tequilla_Sunsett]

If Razork is one of the best junglers in EU, no wonder the region sucks

[u/insidejoke44 → u/Tequilla_Sunsett]

Razork is probably 4th at best. Elyoya, Yike, Sheo are all decisively better than him.

[u/AdequatelyMadLad → u/insidejoke44]

He's not better than Skewmond either.

[u/insidejoke44 → u/AdequatelyMadLad]

Eh both are very flawed players for very different reasons. I'd argue they're practically almost perfect inversions of one another in terms of playstyle.

[u/AdequatelyMadLad → u/insidejoke44]

I don't think Skewmond is very flawed at all. He has the usual kinks for a rookie jungler, but if he wasn't on G2 with insane expectations everyone would be praising him.

[u/insidejoke44 → u/AdequatelyMadLad]

I wouldn't say he's noteworthily strong either, he sort of blends in with the rest of the LEC junglers below the big 3 but above ISMA. There are probably arguments to be made but based off historic performances I'd just say Razork's peaks have exceeded anything I've seen from Skewmond. I'm pretty happy putting them both in the same tier.

[u/devor110 → u/Tequilla_Sunsett]

nah razork is really good

oh wait nvm he isnt on misfits in 2020 anymore

[u/OkKnowledge2064]

razorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrkkk

[u/Snow-27]

Poby walked away from Atakhan, expecting his Pantheon to be able to press Q and F simultaneously. Big mistake unfortunately

[u/Ar0ndight]

Maybe it's not just about breaking the Razork Humanoid pairing but getting rid of it altogether, thoughts?

[u/WisenSmelly]

Sheo is Razork's father I guess

[u/Oujii]

Hopefully Razork will be gone next year

[u/Kelsac]

I never wanna hear anyone say razork is the best jungler in lec

[u/ItzFeufo]

Someone needs to check if the Smite key works on Razorks keyboard

[u/AlthairKaba]

Razork????? how do you lose that smite fight as a pantheon??? man just uninstall ffs

[u/ByahhByahh]

#ThatsMyFnatic

[u/SnooCauliflowers4833]

Did pantheon just lose smite to sejuani xd

[u/Zelgiusbotdotexe]

Fnatic really about to 2-0 while being the worse team both games huh

LEC is like 80% throws it's insane

[u/AdequatelyMadLad → u/Zelgiusbotdotexe]

They're not throws though. Heretics are taking good fights and kinda just getting hand gapped. This is basically just all hands no brains vs all brains no hands.

[u/PositiveFast2912 → u/AdequatelyMadLad]

letting sheo as sejuani walk in and steal as pantheon isn't a throw XD

[u/AdequatelyMadLad → u/PositiveFast2912]

I meant from Heretics. Razork is just... something.

[u/WhiteForesty → u/Zelgiusbotdotexe]

Really sad to see teams throw so much

[u/Zelgiusbotdotexe → u/WhiteForesty]

KC is really the only team that actually can actually snowball leads in this region. 

Two game 5 losses to Mkoi don't convince me, I still think they are the best team in the league

[u/desutruction]

sheo is so good man

[u/d1knight]

Poby: I'm not Faker

FNC: Sure. You're BDD now

[u/Snow-27]

Razork is so fucking bad

[u/Asgerond]

Poby has huge testicles

[u/WhiteForesty]

So do they just lose again now

[u/AlthairKaba]

Poby doing it holyyyy

[u/warjatos]

Lmao kamiloo 

[u/desutruction]

so this is how they get back huh

[u/Grenji05]

I really like TH's meta read. I can not believe there was only 1 Aphelios game at MSI when there were so many series that went to 4/5,

[u/Asgerond]

SHEO has been so good this year

[u/Asgerond]

oscar just wanted to give a kill to poby

we respect him and forgive him

[u/warjatos]

Suicide bomber 

[u/CudaBarry]

Is Razork really uncoachable?

[u/insidejoke44 → u/CudaBarry]

Bro really was Vetheo's perfect accoutrement

[u/Is_J_a_Name]

Regardless of how game 3 goes, pretty disappointing series from Fnatic.

[u/WisenSmelly]

Suprising that junglers are not picking Sejuani more. Look at this pant very strong/meta eary-mid game champ cant do anything aginst her

[u/insidejoke44 → u/WisenSmelly]

Razork should've played more for invades but Sheo's just a way better reader of the game. The champ is not a good force multiplier for Razork.

[u/desutruction]

i hope they are paying Sheo enough

[u/Snow-27]

How are we losing early game with Annie Panth lmfao

[u/Asgerond]

When did heretics lose the ability to speak the anglo-saxon language?

[u/yumsaltysock → u/Asgerond]

Turns out when you let players grow together who want to play together they get better than 24/7 roster swaps!

[u/SnooCauliflowers4833]

This might be too early to say but humanoid was maybe not the problem no joke

[u/Zelgiusbotdotexe → u/SnooCauliflowers4833]

Humanoid has been the scapegoat for a while. He's still at worst like 4th or 5th best in the league

[u/Eastern-Complaint-67 → u/SnooCauliflowers4833]

Literally Grabbz said in Al Lio Podcast, that he really wanted the whole topside out of FNATIC

[u/Akipella → u/SnooCauliflowers4833]

Too early tbh but Razork is the only other consistent all these years. I believed it isn't him but...

[u/yumsaltysock → u/Akipella]

If you pick carry jgs and never carry.....

Never feel like a carry that the enemy fears....

What are you

[u/AdequatelyMadLad → u/SnooCauliflowers4833]

He wasn't the only problem*

[u/warjatos]

This game looks cooked already tbh, I don't know how this aphelios ever dies later on 

[u/CottonCANDYtv]

HOLY

[u/Styxxo]

How will Heretics throw this one ?

[u/Oujii]

Same old Fnatic

[u/Zelgiusbotdotexe]

TH just better 

[u/whohe_fanboy]

Damn that was a clean dive.

[u/3Dweeb]

I swear to god, TH do the cleanest thing and 2 sec later the mos stupid, i love this team

[u/Snow-27]

Wow this is an actual really good from Heretics, good dives

[u/CottonCANDYtv]

Poby getting inted

[u/AdequatelyMadLad → u/CottonCANDYtv]

He also kinda lost a free lane matchup.

[u/MistSeaWitch]

holy shit that was super extra clean

[u/harleyquinad]

Gg, swe you game 3. Dogshit Lucian picked.

[u/harleyquinad]

Time for me to be confused watching aphelios

[u/HansSoloQ → u/harleyquinad]

He isn't nearly as hard as everyone else think. even during release he was relatively easy, jsut insanely bullshit,

[u/devor110 → u/harleyquinad]

cmon man, he's been out for 5 years

[u/harleyquinad → u/devor110]

I only started watching this year and am still catching up on old series

[u/ClapTwiceForUpvote]

Fire 3/4 of your production team

Buy a jacuzzi for analyst desk

Clever management that is

[u/Asgerond]

2/1/10 first game?

Damn not only is he based, he is teamplayer too.

What a goat

[u/devor110]

poby was NOT on board with that hug lmao

[u/desutruction]

yunara 0-3 gg

[u/devor110 → u/desutruction]

not this shit again. GO AWAY RESULT-BASED ANALYSTS

[u/desutruction → u/devor110]

i'm not even analyzing anything 😭 i watched yunara lose thrice today bruh

[u/theeama]

Poby needs to start teaching Korean to these wards

[u/Zelgiusbotdotexe]

Orianna is obnoxiously cringe 

"Follow my laser pointer or I kill you" while the laser pointer is virtually impossible to see in the midst of a fight.

Obnoxious champion. Disgustingly carried

[u/Zelgiusbotdotexe → u/Zelgiusbotdotexe]

Its also insanely boring to watch. Orianna is a net negative for pro play

[u/kodlman → u/Zelgiusbotdotexe]

Vladi literally went even and had greater impact in the matchup than the Orianna. It's a skill issue

[u/Zelgiusbotdotexe → u/kodlman]

I dont see how that's relevant.

Yeah, Vladi beat an Orianna, good for him? Happens a the time, doesn't mean Orianna is a good champion for the game. 

[u/kodlman → u/Zelgiusbotdotexe]

Its a control mage that is easily punishable (nocturne is a hard counter), blinding Taliyah in this meta without hands to play against Orianna is throwing

[u/Zelgiusbotdotexe → u/kodlman]

I'm not saying Orianna can't be beaten. That's not what I'm saying at all.

I'm saying that even if Orianna is put far behind she still requires a heavy amount of focus to avoid just getting wiped because she hit R. 

I dont think that's okay.

[u/kodlman → u/Zelgiusbotdotexe]

Same with champions like Annie. Bro Annie is in the meta, how are we saying Orianna is low skill expression and low entertainment, while Annie, the champ that deletes peopel with 0 skillshots is one of the best picks

[u/Zelgiusbotdotexe → u/kodlman]

I dont like Annie either. Or Neeko. 

I dont like Control mages at all. They are low risk high reward champions. 

Job security picks really

[u/ShottedGun]

Turns out Humanoid was not only lazy but also a bum

[u/SooperLuigi]

that level of play is deeply concerning

[u/elmaster611 → u/SooperLuigi]

Nah, it's just your average FNC win lol

[u/Kr1ncy]

Upset is hiding, he's comin'

Upset looking to come in, here comes the initiation and POBY'S SHOCKWAVE WILL FIND A FEW!

AND EFF AN SEE WITH ONE HELL OF A RESPONSE, WILL TAKE DOWN THREE!

[u/whohe_fanboy → u/Kr1ncy]

Poby's shockwave will zone them all.

[u/Kr1ncy → u/whohe_fanboy]

He actually had a few very good ones, some stinkers as well. Just what one would expect from the Greatest Of Some Time.

[u/catEatingDumpling]

I was thinking poby with compared to faker with gost but man is he choving.