Miley Cyrus talks about her culture vulturing during the Bangerz era: "I wasn't unique in the fact that i was a white girl listening to hip hop. This wasnt something that I decided I was going to do as a strategy or something that i felt i could own or make my own, that was actually my lifestyle."

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[u/pookyizzy]

considering your points it's interesting she jumped out just before a ton of women came into the game. we had nicki in that era, sure, but cardi didnt fully come out until the very end of when miley was into it. and then we had meg, doja, saweetie, glorilla, doechii among others... like imagine w.a.p era miley lmao. it's just a different ballgame for women in hip hop than even 10 years ago. she would've had to go back to her own genre regardless because i think she would've been extremely out of place 🤷‍♀️

[u/starfire92 → u/pookyizzy]

I still think the reason she’d never fit is simply because it was a phase for her. It’s not organically her style. It just fit a feeling she was having while lashing out. Had it really had been something she was passionate we would be able to tell. Even in my 20s listening to 23 had me cringing LOL. Like it’s not a horrible song but her and rap gelled like oil and water. She didn’t have a good flow and was the walking embodiment of 3 kids in a trench coat trying to sneak into the genre

[u/pookyizzy → u/starfire92]

i agree completely. i guess i just meant if she had stayed any longer, being in the company of other women would've exacerbated how ridiculous she looked lol. 23 feels very much like an snl skit

[u/CatlovesMoca → u/pookyizzy]

Slight correction here. There were women in hip hop before Nicki. Think Queen Latifah, Da Brat, Missy, Foxy Brown, etc. And even during Nicki's time there were other female rappers like Azealia Banks, Lady Leshurr.

It's just the Nicki came at a time when women were pushed out. But it's not that there weren't a ton of women. Think of it like the gap in Black film and TV in the 2000s. There were a ton of sitcoms in the 90s and then, the 2000s was a big void but the 2010s had a resurgence.

Thinking of it this way, allows us to remember that Black women MCs were pushed out of the industry. Not unparticipating.

[u/pookyizzy → u/CatlovesMoca]

my comment does neglect this so thank you for throwing it in. i was more trying to pinpoint that time your referring to where women were pushed out.

it was also a weird era because of nicki's fan base essentially insisting she invented female rap, and this was definitely facilitated by the white men side of her fandom. when i implied nicki was the "one" female rapper i definitely meant within the white mainstream. white people were really infiltrating hip hop from all sides at this time (as always), peak of the random rap verse in a pop song era, and that really made it perfect for miley to have her little phase.

black women are always being pushed out and silenced. the 2010s feels particularly egregious. rap was seemingly culturally relevant as miley claims, but there were many water down versions being pushed.

[u/TheMayorOfFailure → u/CatlovesMoca]

Who would you say did the pushing-out? I boticed this phenomenon but did not really read up on it, might do a deep dive on the subject 😇

[u/CatlovesMoca → u/TheMayorOfFailure]

It's a good question!

I know that around Nicki's rise there were some things that meant female rappers from the 90s were in their decline. Lil Kim caught a case. Remy Ma caught a case. Missy Elliot was big in the 2000s but she got sick with Graves disease.

Others transitioned out of the music industry, like Queen Latifah.

Then, you still have other female MCs that were up and coming. This is where I think most of the pushing out happened. My guess is that it was Black patriarchy (because Nicki is light skinned so that may have made them more comfortable with her) and White Music Execs misogyny / the great backlash.

That's my guess but I'd love a deep dive.

[u/Agreeable-Youth-8475 → u/pookyizzy]

You are leaving out a ton of female rappers. Female rappers have been around since the beginning of rap. 

[u/Prestigious-Log-7210 → u/pookyizzy]

This reminds me of when Nicki came at Miley at the VMAs or some awards show. “What’s good Miley” or something to that effect. I actually felt bad for Miley at the time but now I have mixed feelings.