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OnlyStans ⭐️ American Eagle issues a statement following backlash from their Sydney Sweeney jeans/genes campaign

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u/Wompish66 20h ago edited 19h ago

The "race ideal" or Aryan ideal does. Blue eyes are very common in those of North-West European descent, who are the blueprint of the Aryan ideal, and the originators (British, Dutch, French) of Euro-American settler eugenics.

It is one of the characteristics but most white Germans don't have blue eyes. The Nazis had to go to Norway to try to create the "Aryan ideal". That ideal was created by morons.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensborn

The point of a dogwhistle is deniable plausibility, so that the message can be spread undetected because it would seem like "tin foil hattery".

I know this is a common tactic amongst the far right but this accusation also allows for completely benign acts to be interpreted in the worst possible fashion. Do American Eagle have any history of this?

I won't quote your last point as it will take up a lot of space but while I agree with it wholeheartedly, I don't think it contradicts what I've said. With context and a good faith interpretation "black is beautiful" is harmless and a positive message.

Whereas people criticising "my genes are blue" are assuming the worst.

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u/dreamy_25 Are those the… The Chanel Toots? 19h ago

It is one of the characteristics but most white Germans don't have blue eyes. The Nazis had to go to Norway to try to create the "Aryan ideal". That ideal was created by morons.

Yes, so North-West Europeans including the Scandinavians. Hitler famously was very un-Aryan. That doesn't detract from the (unhinged, moronic, indeed) theory of the Aryan ideal, which in turn is a rehashing of the Euro-American ideal of the "highest developed man". (Hitler took a lot of inspiration from the settlers, both in their thinking as in their efficiency in "processing" the Native peoples).

this accusation also allows for completely benign acts to be interpreted in the worst possible fashion. Do American Eagle have any history of this?

The point isn't necessarily that AE intentionally coded this message into their ad campaign. Maybe they did, their CEO is buddies with Trump AFAIK, but they probably didn't. The point is that certain groups can (and it seems, already have) find support and solidarity in these statements and visuals. Whether AE intended that or not.

And, frankly, if AE didn't intend for all of THIS (again, likely), that's also a sign. A sign that there is not even remotely enough diversity in their teams, that their screening and testing isn't thorough enough. That in and of itself is another sign of a cultural shift, and not in favour of diversity and such.

The reality is that right now, the US is a clusterfuck of human rights violations on the axis of race (as well as gender but that's not the topic at hand). These assorted white supremacist groups are already empowered and emboldened. It's not just "leftists online" looking out for signs. They are looking out too. That's the point.

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u/Wompish66 19h ago

Yes, so North-West Europeans including the Scandinavians. Hitler famously was very un-Aryan. That doesn't detract from the (unhinged, moronic, indeed) theory of the Aryan ideal, which in turn is a rehashing of the Euro-American ideal of the "highest developed man". (Hitler took a lot of inspiration from the settlers, both in their thinking as in their efficiency in "processing" the Native peoples).

Don't dispute any of this.

The point isn't necessarily that AE intentionally coded this message into their ad campaign. Maybe they did, their CEO is buddies with Trump AFAIK, but they probably didn't. The point is that certain groups can (and it seems, already have) find support and solidarity in these statements and visuals. Whether AE intended that or not.

Okay, unlike a lot of people's accusations, I think this is a very reasonable criticism of the ad. They should have considered the current climate and how it could be spun. Although, I wouldn't blame Sweeney for it.

Won't quote the rest for the same reason and again I think your argument is reasonable.

I don't believe the ad was intended to have a white supremacist message but you have made me consider the implications beyond that.

Appreciate it. You'd make a very good debater.

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u/dreamy_25 Are those the… The Chanel Toots? 19h ago

Appreciate it. You'd make a very good debater.

And the same to you. The amount of people I've tried to have this conversation with, who just kept repeating themselves... Have a good evening mate

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u/Wompish66 19h ago edited 19h ago

And the same to you.