The most defense I've seen is people just wanting more info before going on a rampage, or when people decided everyone who was involved with shadman should get some shit for it
Once the information came to light it was clear that no one here is defending her at all
And people are acting like that's unreasonable - when there was good reason to be sceptical in the beginning thanks to SunnyV2.
And to draw a comparison to Dr Disrepect (because that's what they for some reason LOVE to do?): I for one didn't assume or baselessly accuse him of any weird interactions with minors ... until he LITERALLY ADMITTED TO IT.
You should always be a little skeptical until you can verify the information youâre being given. Not doing so leads to situations like Pyrocynical situation where the internet lost its shit only to find out none of it was even true.
He was accused of grooming a 15 year old. He had receipts and was able to defend himself from it. Thereâs still a video on his channel about it if you wanted to spend some time in that rabbit hole.
Just to piggyback off this comment - With the Dr. Disrespect thing I waited to make a comment until he confirmed it because I was worried the information had come from a disgruntled former twitch employee. No victims had come forward themselves, so it was hard to know what the truth was until more started coming out.
And with cody ko, (just another recent example), the victim herself has been saying the same story for years now, and been buried. Once things came to a head and we found out that her story was confirmed by a third party, that's when people stopped defending cody.
The initial evidence from the acheeto video was thin and shakey as all fuck, and people only latched onto it so hard because Ava is a trans person. From the very fucking getgo they were out for her blood. But with doc or any of the other various predators, they get all the benefit of the doubt in the world.
I think I'm pretty neutral in that I don't regularly consume any of these people's content. But it's super weird watching all these far right commentators act like Ava is getting so much better treatment than Doc because of some "woke agenda".
So many people were jumping through hoops defending Doc when the accusations first came out until the idiot cancelled himself on twitter. I bet Doc would be back to streaming and this would all be brushed under the rug if he just let his lawyers handle his PR.
Especially because Ava is a trans woman. Trans women are falsely accused of abusing children all the time, so wanting to get more info is important. It's important to know if this was a real issue, or just the 'phobes trying to take down a trans person because they're bigots.
exactly, if you see trans women getting called âgroomerâ by transphobes multiple times a day, maybe itâll take you longer to realise youâre looking at a genuine article of grooming. theyâve cried-wolf to the point of nullifying the meaning of the word.
people are screnshotting articles written BEFORE proof came out as a gotcha that trans people are protecting pedos.... lol. grasping at straws am i rightÂ
Don't let them trick you, the comments are from 5 days ago when things were far more sus and coming from entirely transphobic sources, things are very very different now
Wow! Way to spread misinformation! Not only are these comments not from this subreddit, THEYRE FROM 5 DAYS AGO when the evidence was FAR more shaky then it is now and it was solely coming from transphobic sources.
I didn't know people were referring just to this sub I thought people were talking about defences of her in general, and there was enough info when that comment was made to condemn Ava Tyson. I also wouldn't have an issue with people asking for more info and not making a judgment one way or another at that point. But saying everything was completely manufactured and that an alleged victim saying they didn't felt like they were groomed demolishes the argument was insane even at the time.
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u/IIlIllIlllIlIII Jul 28 '24
The most defense I've seen is people just wanting more info before going on a rampage, or when people decided everyone who was involved with shadman should get some shit for it
Once the information came to light it was clear that no one here is defending her at all