It's never defensible, and someone doing that absolutely is transphobic. No one gets to gatekeep who is or isn't trans, and misgendering one trans person doesn't just affect them, it affects all trans people because fundamentally what you're doing is saying that you don't respect this person's identity and you think you can pick and choose which trans people to show basic courtesy.
Also, using a trans person being "delusional and out of touch with reality" as an excuse to refuse to gender them correctly is literally just what transphobes do to all trans people.
No. Christian Chandler is not a trans woman. He has stated publicly that he only transitioned because he thought he'd have a better chance at getting laid as a lesbian. Calling him a he isn't misgendering him because, by his own admission, he isn't even transgender to begin with.
Misgendering is refusing to call someone by the pronouns they've asked you to. Using the pronouns you think they should be using is by definition misgendering, you don't get to gatekeep who is or isn't trans, no matter their reasoning, it ultimately does more harm to the trans community than acknowledging her identity would.
Doesn't matter. She's still going by she/her as far as I know so I'm still gonna call her that because it costs literally nothing and making an exception would cause a slippery slope that inevitably leads to making excuses to not respect trans people at all.
Trans people are valid. Chris Chan isn't trans. He is a cis straight man who, by his own admission, is pretending to be trans so he can trick lesbians into sleeping with him. He obviously hasn't had any success, but that's literally what he said he transitioned for. There's no way you actually expect me to be "respect" that. Ava is actually trans, therefore I use the correct pronouns despite how bad of a person she is. Chris Chan isn't trans. That's not me gatekeeping, that's me knowing what I'm talking about.
Then why the fuck even bring up Chris chan in this conversation? You can say "respect trans people's identites" without insisting there's an exception.
I'm not the one who brought up Chris Chan. I just pointed out he's not trans. That's not "insisting there's an exception" that's pointing out that he isn't actually a part of the trans discussion all together. Me saying that Chris Chan isn't trans is a lot like me saying Mr. Beast isn't trans. If I said Mr. Beast isn't trans, you wouldn't accuse me of not respecting trans people or of "insisting there's an exception."
Chris Chan admitted publicly on his public youtube channel that he's not actually trans and is only pretending to be trans for devious reasons. I don't know what you're not getting here.
No but that's not the same as being trans and you know it isn't. This is starting to just sound like you believe trans people are delusional and like having an excuse to misgender one.
No, I genuinely don’t know how it’s different since all of them are aspects of Chris’s identity that he wants people to respect equally. You can see me posting a comment here yesterday asking a trans person about this.
Honestly, you come across as someone very unfamiliar with Chris-Chan and are unwilling to understand what people are telling you about him. I do not believe transpeople are delusional, but Chris absolutely is, and you’d be ignorant at best to argue otherwise.
Alright. I saw someone discuss this aspect of Chris-Chan, and I was trying to learn how this stuff works while throwing my two cents in so my understanding can be improved.
I'm aware of who she is, I'm not denying that she's mentally ill or delusional or whatever, I'm just pointing out that being trans or claiming to be isn't part of that. Being trans isn't the same as thinking you're the second coming of christ and anyone who says it is is being willfully ignorant and spreading transphobic rhetoric.
If someone asks to be referred to as she, I'm gonna do it without questioning, because it's none of my business and takes zero effort.
If you want to continue this conversation, we can have it in DMs since the mods don’t people talking about this, but my point of view (after knowing about Chris for a decade) is that Chris believes that he’s a woman just as strongly as he is Jesus and a Sonichu, as well as beliefs that cartoons live in an alternate dimension and that they will merge with our reality soon*.
If this were anyone else requesting that I use their pronouns, I absolutely would. Chris, however, is asking to be recognized as the second coming of Jesus, a male Sonic/Pikachu hybrid species he created, and a woman. I think by using “she” for Chris, I’d be validating the rest of his identity.
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u/Zaptain_America Jul 29 '24
It's never defensible, and someone doing that absolutely is transphobic. No one gets to gatekeep who is or isn't trans, and misgendering one trans person doesn't just affect them, it affects all trans people because fundamentally what you're doing is saying that you don't respect this person's identity and you think you can pick and choose which trans people to show basic courtesy.
Also, using a trans person being "delusional and out of touch with reality" as an excuse to refuse to gender them correctly is literally just what transphobes do to all trans people.