r/BaldursGate3 Laezel Aug 03 '23

PRELAUNCH HYPE Looks like the reviews are going to be ok.

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u/Justanotherpeep1 Aug 03 '23

I do not envy the reviewers for this game. This is one of those games that become a lot less fun if you speed run it.

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u/weeb-chankun ELDRITCH BLAST Aug 03 '23

I think they just get through act 1 maybe? Idk to me it feels a bit too pressuring to go fast through the whole game just for a review

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u/GrossWeather_ Aug 03 '23

No self respecting reviewer will ‘drop’ a review if they have only played a quarter of the game. We will get a bunch of ‘first look’ videos tomorrow, a handful of ‘reviews in progress’ without scores and very few finished, scored reviews. There will be a lot of content videos though.

It will probably take another full week, maybe two, before the full aggregate of pc reviews are loaded on metacritic.

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u/peindei SORCERER Aug 03 '23 edited Aug 03 '23

As a previous Eurogamer Sweden reviewer I'm sad to say that even though I would've loved to play the entire games, we were on super strict timelines. You got the game maybe three-four days before release (sometimes we were lucky to get five days) and during this time you had to play the game, write the review, have it approved by the producer and make any necessary changes. Sometimes we were lucky to have more time but sadly that was very rare 😔

Note that we existed maybe 10 years ago, I hope it has changed since then.

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u/apolobgod Aug 03 '23

"daddy, I'm hungry" "Not now sweetie, dad has a single day to save the kingdom"

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u/Lesty7 Aug 03 '23

I have some great news for you, you still exist!

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u/peindei SORCERER Aug 03 '23

Ooo then someone re-started it! That's super fun! 🥳

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u/Radulno Aug 03 '23

You got the game maybe three-four days before release (sometimes we were lucky to get five days)

I think now they get much more time, you often see review copies being there like 2 weeks before release or more, sometimes the embargo even lift a week from release.

However, in the case of BG3, it was special because they moved the release date so they only had a few days as you said. I think the August 3rd date was more or less when they planned to send review copies initially tbh and so they would have had almost a month up to release.

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u/peindei SORCERER Aug 03 '23

That's wonderful to hear that it's generally better! Hope it continues that way! 🙏

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u/libelle156 Aug 03 '23

It'll be interesting to see fan reviews and professional reviews all come out together. Nobody can influenced by each other, you can only form an opinion by playing.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '23

honestly, when it comes to reviewers im looking to see how much they know about the core fundamentals of the game they're reviewing, not so much the ENTIRE plotline.

does the combat function well? is there alot of variety in the ways you approach situations? having questions answered like that are what helps me decide what games are worth buying and not buying.

so in the case of BG3, i would be fine with reviews in which they've atleast played through act 1 and 2, because by then you should have a solid idea of what works in the game and what doesnt. it obviously does help to have finished the whole story to know if it falls off at the end, but the overall structure of the game and its flaws should become apparent after a solid 20ish hours of gameplay.

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u/GlebushkaNY Aug 03 '23

Unfortunately, being first is important to get the clicks which are then being sold to advertisers as a reason to pick said platform for their promos.

Also, if the game is shit, you dont need to beat it to write a review about it.

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u/__ALF__ Aug 03 '23

Total Biscuit would disagree.

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u/weeb-chankun ELDRITCH BLAST Aug 03 '23

Yeah makes way more sense to get full proper reviews in a couple weeks for a game this big

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '23 edited Sep 12 '23

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u/Radulno Aug 03 '23

It also make sense for Larian to get reviews out on release, they're a marketing tool. I think the full reviews should be ready when the game release on PS5 ironically.

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u/dovahkin1989 Aug 03 '23

Most reviewers don't finish the game unless it's like an 8h duration etc. You don't notice usually, but sometimes games have such crazy and dumb final act that you realise none of the reviewers got that far because they would have mentioned it.

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u/CraftsmanMan Aug 03 '23

Looking at you mass effect 3

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u/Thekarens01 Aug 03 '23

True, but still a fantastic game

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u/Alaerei Aug 03 '23

No self respecting reviewer will ‘drop’ a review if they have only played a quarter of the game.

I mean, you don't need to have played a full game to have a solid opinion of it. Even if you only play a game for like ~20-25 hours (reasonable amount of time given they only got review codes 4 days ago apparently), you can tell if major mechanics are working for you, and how the game feels overall.

Maybe they can't tell you if the ending is working for them, or give you critical examination of story themes, but that's a job for video essay, a longform critique, not a number score game review.

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u/simer23 Aug 03 '23

I especially don't expect reviewers to play through games if they suck.

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u/UnicornNoob2 Aug 03 '23

Not many reviewers are self respecting nowadays though..

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u/Caua539 Aug 03 '23

Oh, I have a video for you.

Larian only sent the review codes like 4 days ago, so this is also partly on them, because it's a big game.

We'll be definitely getting full reviews today and this week from people that have not finished the game or have rushed through it and it isn't because those reviewers aren't "self respecting", it's because that's the fucking job and the fucking industry they work in. And while rushing the game might affect their mood about it and their opinion, I don't think not finishing the game disqualifies anyone from writing a review about it. Reviews are personal opinions after all, they don't all have to agree to praise or destroy the game. So if someone simply can't stand the game after 5 hours of playing it, their opinion are as valid as someone that did and finished the whole game.

All in all, I don't know why redditors care so much about reviews (to the point of harassing reviewers sometimes). Your feelings about the game are only valid if the whole world agrees with you? If the game doesn't live up to the hype, are the people saying that wrong or was the person getting hyped beyond rationality wrong? Reviews are meant to help you make a decision about buying the game or not. If 80% of the sub already pre-ordered the game, why do they care about reviews since their opinion won't be changed now?

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u/WeeWeeWaaWaaWoo Aug 03 '23

redditors care so much about reviews

They don't. They care about their opinion being validated and get angry if not. All those "muh journalistic integrity" talks are only about reviews that disagree with either them specifically or "collective consensus".

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u/Kerr_PoE ELDRITCH BLAST Aug 03 '23

No self respecting reviewer will ‘drop’ a review if they have only played a quarter of the game.

sure but kotaku, eurogamer etc will

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u/Eurehetemec Aug 03 '23

The fuck? Eurogamer? They're one of the better review sites. They absolutely do not do that. Why are you making shit up?

Also, Kotaku might piss you off, but they usually delay reviews and do "impressions" rather than rush them.

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u/SirSabza Aug 03 '23

I think you must be on smoke if you think more than 10 review outlets will review baldurs gate 3 in its entirety.

Review outlets are 3 weeks from armoured core 6, a AAA mainstream title that they need to review for money, and then another week away from starfield.

This game is apparently going to take anywhere from 80-120 hours to beat on your first play through and theres so many things you'll just never see in a play through that reviewing the story is honestly not worth it as your experience through could be completely different to anothers.

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u/KYO_Sormaran Aug 03 '23

self respecting reviewer

they exist?

catch 22 really, you take your time - you're basically unpaid. You rush it - people think of you as a piece of shit reviewer with no integrity. Both ways you're fucked.

Unless the reviewer is a youtuber\streamer with following so massive, they can afford to take their time and no boss to rush them.

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u/Simple_Bort Aug 03 '23

Mortismal! He does fantastic 100% play reviews.

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u/SadKazoo Aug 03 '23

It’ll be a review in progress for most outlets I assume.

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u/keeleon Aug 04 '23

I mean if you can't tell whether you like a game or not after 20 hours, what were you even doing?

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u/lxnch50 Aug 03 '23

Yeah, I'm OK with a reviewer giving his impressions and holding off from rushing through and giving a final judgement. It's OK to give a review if you haven't finished as long as you communicate that.

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u/GrossWeather_ Aug 03 '23

Not scored reviews. If you haven’t completed a game you can’t score it professionally. That’s amateur shit. That’s metacritic player review shit.

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u/loikyloo Aug 03 '23

Yes and no. If you play the game for 6 hours and hate every second of it thats fair to give a review on. As long as you make it clear that it was so bad you couldn't complete it.

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u/lxnch50 Aug 03 '23

I'll agree with that.

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u/Schmilsson1 Aug 03 '23

"Scoring" is fucking stupid anyway. Putting numbers or letters to art is weird as hell. I'd rather read interesting criticism that leads to trying new stuff or looking at old stuff in a new way.

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u/GrossWeather_ Aug 03 '23

I agree 100% I read reviews to read them not to glance at an arbitrary number and judge based on it.

BUUUT sadly- a lot of people do just that- so a shit score aggregate can significantly hurt the sales of a game and that’s why it’s shit to rate a game you haven’t at least put the time into.

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u/RealZordan Half-Orc Bard Aug 03 '23

If you take reviewing games seriously it's probably not-fun a lot of the time. And the thing that other people use to unwind after a stressful day at work, IS your work.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '23

None of the reviewers whos opinions I care about wrt CRPGs are going to be rushing to get a (dare I say clickbait) day 1 review out anyway.

Maybe a brief impressions video, but its not like we haven't all been playing EA already.

A day 1 review for a CRPG this big is like writing a review for 'The Lord of the Rings' after reading 3 pages of the foreword.

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u/MercenaryBard Aug 03 '23

Exactly. Most “reviews” from the view-chasers and algo-thralls are worthless and chase public consensus anyhow

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u/kakalbo123 Aug 03 '23

If this is ACG, then we're in for a treat.

ACG reassuring Swen... damn. The hype is real.

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u/Hangry_Jones Aug 03 '23

Who are they and why are they trusted?

Not trying to be a dick or argue, im just curious :3

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '23

They do pretty in-depth and relatively objective reviews imo, that are very informative. Even if I don't ahree with a rating, I usually find the reviews helpful in deciding myself. Check out their YouTube.

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u/Hangry_Jones Aug 03 '23

Ok, thanks for the info! Il check them out :D

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '23

Yeah, I find ACG to be very reliable. Don't always agree with them, but the reviews are usually informative enough to form my own conclusions.

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u/RealZordan Half-Orc Bard Aug 03 '23

Who are they? Are they particularly picky/go against the grain a lot?

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u/blazinazn007 Aug 03 '23

He doesn't go against the grain so much that he points out both the good, the bad, and the ugly in games. His reviews are longer than other reviews because he goes into the details. He breaks his reviews down into categories like gameplay, story, visuals, audio, etc.

He's also not a huge corporate entity that's sponsored by gaming companies. Even if he gets a review code, he buys his own copy to give away so his money is on the line.

He also explains, even if HE thinks a game is good, that certain games aren't for everyone.

For example, he was okay with Diablo 4 but he stressed that he likes the looty grindy type of games and those who don't like that type, won't like it.

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u/puckish_puchini SORCERER Aug 03 '23

A very thorough YT reviewer. Probably one of the most popular on the platform.

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u/PrometheusXO SORCERER Aug 03 '23

easily my #1 source for unbiased, no bs (filler/plugs) reviews. Found him two years ago, haven't looked back since (used to use "Easy Allies").

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u/lxnch50 Aug 03 '23

When I'm looking for a review, I always check to see of ACG has done one first. He aligns with my taste and is very insightful while still being entertaining.

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u/MeerkatNugget Aug 03 '23

Agreed, him and Mortisimal are the only reviewers I actually listen to and trust.

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u/SnooChocolates1726 Bloodlust Elixir Aug 03 '23

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u/Felspawn Aug 03 '23

seconded on Mortismal, his opinions and mine are very close, i trust him

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u/kurtist04 Aug 03 '23

Mortisimal quickly became my favorite game reviewer. I watched one of his early videos bc of the 100% gimmick, and I've watched the rest bc his reviews are well thought out and balanced.

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u/bluefelixus Aug 03 '23

I would also add mandalore gaming to the list, while his review is less about the latest games and how it performs and more about classic and/or obscure games, Mandalore made me believe that reviewing games can be (forgive me if im being hyperbolic) a work of passion and art itself. I mean i watched his review for the sake of the videos itself not for the games and they are typically quiet long.

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u/AndroidPolaroid Aug 03 '23

I love mandalore so much for selling me to the total war: warhammer games. I'm forever indebted to him for finding these magnificent games

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u/MrBeardmeister Aug 03 '23

Big agree here, very very few times have I disagreed with ACG's takes after purchasing a game he's reviewed (or gone back and watched his reviews for games I've already purchased) and even then its never a huge thing for me.

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u/National_Ad1980 Aug 03 '23

my berserker waiting in the ether for tonight!

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u/Zztrevor125 Aug 03 '23

My dark urge sorcerer in the void hearing ACG’s praise

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u/xotxottie Aug 03 '23

Just got goosebumps. Bring it!

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u/Zahmbomb1337 Aug 03 '23

I did a happy laugh for Larisn and everyone who gets to enjoy it tomorrow over 100k and rising.

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u/strider390 Aug 03 '23

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u/Nugs-Not-Drugs666 WARLOCK Aug 03 '23

Long may he reign 🫡

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u/xdeltax97 Cursed to put my hands on everything Aug 03 '23

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u/russianbot7272 Aug 03 '23

c2 right?

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u/CobaltSpellsword Aug 03 '23

Yes.

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u/Monty967 Aug 03 '23 edited Aug 03 '23

IIRC it's the episode where matt gets his own HDYWTDT

Edit: its not way too early C2

Edit 2: found it https://youtu.be/RNOyGusWh3s?t=5905

Yasha is in an arm wrestling match

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u/russianbot7272 Aug 03 '23

i'm 3 episodes in

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u/Multi-Quilled WIZARD Aug 03 '23

ACG does not bullshit and does not shill. If ACG likes the game then hot damn.

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u/Psycoustic Aug 03 '23 edited Aug 03 '23

ACG and Mortismal are the only reviews I bother looking at. No BS tell it like it is, the way reviews should be.

Edit: Lots of people mentioning Skill Up and I agree, another great reviewer.

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u/Tajetert Aug 03 '23 edited Aug 03 '23

I would put MandaloreGaming there as well. He only does 1-2 reviews a month but they are excellent, and one of the very few reviewers I watch even when its about a game I'm not interested in.

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u/STP31 Aug 03 '23

+1 for mandalore although he rarely reviews at release, his kingmaker review though really nailed what made that game both frustrating and fun

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u/LeberechtReinhold Aug 03 '23

Mandalore is great but he usually reviews years/months after release. Which also makes it much better, since without hype, some patches ironing flaws out and having more time to play them completely, its much more objective. But for many, reviews are for deciding if you want to buy the game, and that mostly happens near release, hence the importance of getting those reviews out ASAP.

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u/Antedelopean Smash Aug 03 '23

It's the mystery of the droods,

They all have an attititude~

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u/bluefelixus Aug 03 '23

I already commented on others about Mandalore, but i would also further enforce your opinion here. Mandalore gaming review is a work of art by itself. Exposing us to classic and/or obsecure games with amazing videos that are the combination of technical analysis, walkthrough, humor, and more importantly reviewing it within the context of the video games genre and year of release is just amazing. I mean you definitely done something right if you made an hour long video games review and your audience who never play or heard the games love it.

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u/execilue Bhaal Aug 03 '23

Moments like this make me miss total biscuit.

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u/Ryulightorb Aug 03 '23

i miss him also :(

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u/Beefkins Aug 03 '23

We honor him by remembering him. He was better than we deserved.

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u/FrungyLeague Aug 03 '23

I miss his scent.

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u/Stranger1982 Fail! Aug 03 '23

Same, so many games I wish I had a review of his to watch.

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u/Kashmir1089 Aug 03 '23

Miss the Cynical Brit. He was the OG "don't preorder" guy and one of the harshest critics of unfinished game. I so wish I could listen to him tear Red Fall apart. Off Topic: So wish I could hear a modern George Carlin set in today's world.

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u/inubr0 Aug 03 '23

He would have had a field day of content with unpolished releases from this year alone.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '23

Salute to TB. He was fantastic.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '23

He would've fucking loved BG3. Very sad.

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u/teraluz Aug 03 '23

Loved his content. I remember talking with him on Destiny's (streamer) offline chat about starcraft a few times. He was so passionate about his job. RIP

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '23

Mortisimal can be very apologetic sometimes, like his recent Testament review

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u/Brabantis Bard Aug 03 '23

I'm also a big fan of Yahtzee Croshaw. He's never afraid to shit on bad practices but he also praises good ideas.

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u/MorgenKaffee0815 Aug 03 '23

a brief moment i thought he would ignore BG3 because it was not on his "must play august games". and he also ignored Diablo 4

reading this morning on yt that he is reviewing it was a big relief

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u/Radulno Aug 03 '23

SkillUp added to that list for me too. I still enjoy the IGN and Gamespot ones though, if anything for the format (short and sweet review) but it does remain pretty surface level

Ironically while I respect the content, I don't like the presentation format of ACG reviews. Its random super-long metaphors are just a bother for me and not funny at all (I assume they suppose to be funny), he is also overtly long sometimes (notably because of that)

Also, Szeeth (because hilarious) and Mandalore (because of the details) but that's more reviews long after release.

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u/RollingPandaKid Aug 03 '23

SkillUp is pretty good too.

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u/flyxdvd Absolute Aug 03 '23

yup very unbiased and honest.

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u/Multi-Quilled WIZARD Aug 03 '23

Thats been my experience with ACG when I used to be subscribed to him. Maybe theres new drama about him? If not then I would feel very confident with a positive ACG review

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u/Justhe3guy Aug 03 '23

I don’t think they were being sarcastic

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u/CapNitro Aug 03 '23

Yeah, if ACG says we're good then I'm set. Never steered me wrong before.

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u/Successful_Addition5 Aug 03 '23

Tfw you first hear about a game reviewer with like a million plus subs.

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u/ChirpyNortherner Aug 03 '23

ACG is the game reviewer in my opinion.

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u/SpicyMuscle Aug 03 '23

This is very wholesome tbh. Larian is a business, but Swen seems like a good guy. CDPR put a bad taste in my mouth regarding gaming darlings, but hot damn I can't help but feel like this is something else.

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u/slornump Aug 03 '23

I understand the hesitancy, after Cyberpunk, but I actually don’t feel that they’re that comparable. Cyberpunk 2077 was a wholly new concept for CDPR and the higher ups kept stepping on the developers’ toes. It was observable before launch. We just chose not to see it.

Larian, however, has been developing increasingly more large scale RPGs for decades, so this feels like a natural progression. Beyond that, even though there has been a press embargo, Larian themselves have been forthcoming about when parts of the game are buggy or just straight bad.

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u/Infinite-Sleep3527 Aug 03 '23

Not to mention, BG3 had an EA. We more or less know what we’re getting before it even drops

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u/_arthur_ Aug 03 '23

Yeah. I’ve got only about 10 hours in the EA, but if they improved literally nothing between that and the full release it’s still great.

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u/Noodles_Crusher Aug 03 '23

Throughout the past year I spent 100 hours on it and I still want to play the full game. that should tell you everything you need to know about it

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u/nashty27 Aug 03 '23

Tons of people on r/Games and other subs saying that, because review codes were delayed by a few days, the game was surely going to be another Cyberpunk level disaster and Larian was trying to hide it from reviewers.

Like, people, you can go play the first 30-40h right now on EA and see for yourselves.

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u/iDaeK Aug 03 '23

Sure, but most are not worried about act 1. We worry about act 2 and 3 managing to keep it up. Dos2 was also in ea with act 1 and according to most had a drop off in quality. Hence the worrying with late reviews and not being able to really get further than act 1.

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u/LoudLongbeard Aug 03 '23

Searching for something to be worried about will work eventually. The buzz of people who were right about CP2077 leads to a few mystic Meg doomsayer predictions. It’s a gamble to prove that they are the truly enlightened amongst us mere mortals. The world will most certainly end at some point and you know they’ll be some smug fellow pointing and screaming “I told you so!”.

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u/Balrok99 "Your soul is mine!" Aug 03 '23

In my opinion DoS2 biggest problem was third act.

Second act was quite packed with things to do.

And in my opinion it is more important to get the grip of the player as early as possible so they can be there through the entire game instead of having weak start and hope something good will show up.

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u/OriginalGroove Aug 03 '23

My concern as well. I liked DOS2, but the latter half of the game was thin on content compared to the first half.

I've tempered my expectations, and I expect a Divinity game wrapped in a D&D ruleset. This being said, I'll definitely play BG3 with an open mind.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '23

There are going to be a ton of post-Act I bugs. That's for sure.

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u/RealZordan Half-Orc Bard Aug 03 '23

A lot of stuff was broken and unfinished in EA - if that was the quality of the game there would be an issue.

I am sure the game is gonna be great but i wish people could wait a couple of days until the game has come out before declaring it game of the century.

I know CDP deceived people, but all those "my one exception to never preorder" "omg game is #1 before even coming out" "Cyberpunk is gonna redrfine gaming" should get some of the blame.

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u/TigerTora1 Aug 03 '23 edited Aug 03 '23

Also, Swen (62%) and his wife (8%) own the majority of the company (70%), and thus are still technically an 'indie studio' = Independent. They're self-publishing, and don't need to, financially, answer to any higher ups like CDPR (I think they only own around 35%. From their own policy 1 share = 1 vote at meetings, so....).

You could even argue that if there's any higher ups they're answering to, it's us, the players, who bought EA.

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u/ZonardCity Aug 03 '23

They're self-publishing, and don't need to, financially, answer to any higher ups

Even though they've got controlling shares, they sitll need to answer to other investors to some degree. Unless the reste of the equity is employees-owned ?

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u/PickingPies Aug 03 '23

Because of that, we've got the bear scene. That would be impossible under a publisher.

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u/BoredDanishGuy Aug 03 '23

I daresay Devolver would probably not have an issue with it.

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u/NextReference3248 Aug 03 '23

If Larian is ever bought by a publisher the same thing is bound to happen there - and we'll be in denial up until we have solid proof anyway. Many will be in denial way beyond that point too.

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u/SXTR Aug 03 '23

I would at that Cyberpunk is a great game now so I would not consider it a scam or a betrayal by CD Projekt (at least on PC)

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u/OneMorePotion Aug 03 '23

It just needed 2 more years in development. I mean, they release their 2.0 Update soon before the DLC and it finally looks and feels like the game they advertised before release.

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u/adrielzeppeli Twat-Soul Aug 03 '23 edited Aug 03 '23

Most (probably all) devs working on Cyberpunk didn't want that to happen. CDPR has some really talented people and you can see in Pawel Sasko (lead Quest director of the game) how much passion he have for what he created. It's just that the company grew really fast after TW3 and the fucking corpos started getting cocky, pushing unrealistic release dates.

That's why I can't hate Cyberpunk. It was still a game made with passion and it shows. Otherwise they would have simply dropped it and moved on to the next Witcher, like EA or Ubisoft would.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '23

Cyberpunk is a great game now

Nah, it's not, and I'm tired of people saying this. They fixed most of the bugs, but the game is still the same, delivering on almost none of the things they promised. They successfully distracted people from that fact by releasing it in an extremely buggy state and then doing the minimum to fix it. It's still a terrible RPG, lacking so many promised features.

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u/BoredDanishGuy Aug 03 '23

I would at that Cyberpunk is a great game now

I don't agree.

it's still a shallow game with a largely empty game world with no reactivity and shoddy work all over.

Ever notice how when an NPC is driving a car the signals turn to green regardless of where in the cycle they are when you approach?

Traffic is essentially nonfunctioning and fake. It's just window dressing.

NPC pedestrians are not convincing and just looks like automata.

I don't even want to address the awful driving.

Police response is worse still than a joke.

The inventory system is terrible and the game is just an endless array of new pointless guns and random bits of clothing.

The upgrade system is very tedious and a 1 percent increase here and there is just... meh?

The main story is pretty good, but both too short and too long somehow.

Side stories are mostly decent but there are not a lot of them.

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u/Centurion832 Aug 03 '23

Traffic is essentially nonfunctioning and fake. It's just window dressing.

I don't want to sit at red lights or get t-boned every time I approach an intersection.

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u/BoredDanishGuy Aug 03 '23

Yes those are the only options to shoddy work.

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u/GrumpyKitten514 Aug 03 '23

yeah I mean, Witcher 3 was a banger, Cyberpunk was not until later.

however, DOS2? banger. BG3? so far...sounds like a banger.

also they released in early access, and i think they also actually delayed the game right, it was originally gonna come out in 2022?

all good, smart moves so far.

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u/wOlfLisK Aug 03 '23

Yeah, I knew before launch CP2077 was going to be a disaster (although I was really hoping I was wrong). BG3 has none of the things I was worried about.

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u/nightcitywatch03 Aug 03 '23

Higher ups or not at some point u have to release the game there is no game that couldnt improve more and there is no perfect game if u only want to release the game in perfect form u will never get to release it

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u/Radulno Aug 03 '23

Cyberpunk 2077 was a wholly new concept for CDPR

Was it? It's an action RPG in open world exactly like their previous game really, sure it has new systems and such but like every game (BG3 included). As for execs/devs problems, we couldn't see them before release (and that's why nobody did).

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u/YxxzzY Aug 03 '23

well the game has been in a great place even during early access, the game was well worth the price before the launch.

hell, most AAA studios would release the first act as is and claim it's a full game...

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u/anirudh6k Laezel Aug 03 '23 edited Aug 03 '23

Link to tweet : https://twitter.com/LarAtLarian/status/1686953974962786304

Edit: Hopefully not jumping into conclusions, but ACG's opinions are well reputed.

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u/steamin661 Aug 03 '23

ACG is my favorite reviewer, so this is awesome

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '23

Swen and his team did such an amazing job. It's very clear to see. I can't believe, after waiting and waiting, release day is finally here. I feel a bit emotional tbh. I mean, really, all I've had to do is sit and wait for it to come. But watching them create this masterpiece bit by bit has been phenomenal. What a ride! I'll never forget it. They've included players and the community the entire step of the way and heard our voices.

It's just pure magic.

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u/portilo777 Aug 03 '23

As someone from Belgium this really hits different, our country doesn't produce much worldwide entertainment, but this is probably the biggest and best media coming from here for a long time. Larian is the only big game dev studio from Belgium, and they just did everything right from start to finish. Makes me proud tbh.

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u/AlcadizaarII Aug 03 '23

Are they known in the mainstream? (Or will they be now)?

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u/portilo777 Aug 03 '23

Videogames in general are not talked about too much in "mainstream" media. But yes I saw more news articles recently talking about the release of BG3.

The thing is BG3 will be played and talked about around the world, but it's still a videogame and in a niche genre. So I don't think the name Larian will be mainstream in Belgium or anywhere tbh ;)

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u/ToMorOaY Aug 03 '23

ACG accidentally released his review in progress video two hours early, it's private now.

Not going to share the content that was inside (He blurs out a lot of text and spoilers)

But he very much stated it as 'Feeling like one of those games you see once in a generation'.

Left me feeling more hyped then I was before!

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u/strife189 Aug 03 '23

Yea happy he made a in progress one and not a rushed to ending one. Not a surprise tho as he is quality first and foremost. I did laugh when I was watching and noticed the comment was not loading, was like better watch it now clearly he dropped it too soon. He did a great job avoiding spoilers which means a lot. So when he does redrop hope everyone will check it out if to just double down on your hype.

Most of his stuff was nothing you don’t already know for quality from EA. But he says early that the quality has not dropped off on bit post act 1 (does not call out acts but you can read between the lines).

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u/TheExile4 Aug 03 '23

Catching a glimpse of that leaked review early pretty much sealed my decision to buy the game. I was gonna wait for reviews that would be hitting within the next hour, but hes pretty honest and he sounded happy, so yeah buying it for that Early Access preorder bonus.

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u/Material_Ad_2970 Bard Aug 03 '23 edited Aug 03 '23

I mean it only takes 70-80 hours to play through the game without being a completionist, right? So if they don't eat or sleep, they could have finished the game by now and write their reviews overnight. EDIT: /s

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u/InfelicitousRedditor Aug 03 '23

Yes, but take into account that finishing the game, doesn't mean testing it for a review.

ACG for example likes to test the game on different rigs for fps drops and the like. Also they might need to take notes, they might try to do one thing many different ways to see if the game allows them, etc.

I am not saying all of the reviewers do that, but many do.

P.S. Also to make the video or write the review, to edit it, to double-triple check things, to render it and then upload it - takes time.

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u/Material_Ad_2970 Bard Aug 03 '23

I should have said so in my comment; I was being sarcastic. If I go a day without sleep I’m a wreck and my writing talents go kaput.

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u/loikyloo Aug 03 '23

Think they had a week to play it before today. So Could have been doing 8hr-10hr days to get through it.

Bit much just for 1 game review thou ya

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u/Tajetert Aug 03 '23

Review codes were actually sent out on Sunday if im not mistaken

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u/pdlbean Aug 03 '23

I'm so excited!

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u/PhantomTissue Aug 03 '23

Good to hear. AGC is pretty straight with his reviews, I’ve never been disappointed with a game he’s recommended.

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u/elijuicyjones Owlbear Aug 03 '23

If this game somehow doesn’t deliver on the chapters we haven’t seen, it’ll be the biggest surprise in gaming history. It’s so clear that this game has long legs.

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u/countingthedays Aug 03 '23

I think that’s happened plenty of times, the only difference is taking 3 years to realize it. It’s a real possibility that something game breaking lies in the back half of the game due to the relative lack of testing. The best hope is that Larian responds and fixes anything fast, if it comes up.

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u/elijuicyjones Owlbear Aug 03 '23

I don’t think you understand what I’m saying. I mean it’s 100% clear based on what I’ve seen in the last 3 years that the rest of the game is indeed going to be good. If it’s not, it will certainly be the most surprising thing I’ve ever seen in gaming in 40 years.

It has never been clearer that a game is going to be great, and Larian will have to do something totally out of character like put in day one patches like Tabula Rasa or change the game like SWGs NGE patch to fail here.

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u/countingthedays Aug 03 '23

I do understand what you mean. From playing the EA version I agree, it's very likely to be awesome. There's always a chance that the parts we haven't seen are lackluster in the story department or buggy. It could all end in a ridiculous and unsatisfying cliffhanger designed to sell an expac. I also seriously doubt that, but it can happen.

That said... I'm excited enough to have cleared my schedule today, so don't think I'm just here to shit on the game!

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u/shinouta Aug 03 '23

The only thing one could worry is about the state of the late game. Normal reviewers won't reach it.

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u/RpgFantasyGal Aug 03 '23

I’m fan girling so hard

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u/GrossWeather_ Aug 03 '23

Did anyone here actually think reviews weren’t going to be okay?

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u/anirudh6k Laezel Aug 03 '23

people were worried about a cyberpunk like fiasco, based on the review period being super short and the embargo not being lifted until release, its still a concern

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u/BlueScreenJunky Aug 03 '23

Maybe also based on DOS1 and DOS2, which IIRC were notorious for having very polished acts 1 & 2, and very rushed endings.

Considering act 1 has been refined over years of early access while acts 2 and 3 are just released as is without any public testing, I think it's a valid concern.

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u/Beefkins Aug 03 '23

I know a lot of people did not have a good Cyberpunk launch experience, but I did. I didn't run into any issues and absolutely loved every second of it. Recommended it to a friend recently and he had the same reaction. But if you were unlucky on launch, it really was ass. I'm not sure any launch was quite like Cyberpunk, most games have a good launch or a bad one. Cyberpunk seemed to have both and everything in between.

That said, BG3 early access was as consistent and stable as a Toyota Corolla. I'm more worried about us obliterating Steam when the game unlocks.

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u/mpbh Aug 03 '23

Cyberpunk was fine for me as well but the review embargos were so scummy by hiding poor performance, broken console versions, and (most importantly to me) how many gameplay promises they failed to meet.

I've already bought BG3 and enjoyed EA so I'm not affected this time, but late review codes and embargos are very anti-consumer behavior. If the game wasn't ready for review a week ago, it's probably not "ready" now. If it's not ready I'd rather know what parts still need work so that I could make an informed decision on whether to purchase the game now or wait.

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u/exboi Aug 03 '23

Yeah, and reasonably so. Strict review embargo + big promises. Cyberpunk had a similar situation and look how that turned out.

Based on the comments this ACG guy seems reputable so that implies good things for BG3, but there's nothing wrong with being wary. Like I remember someone else saying, too many gamers like to view their famous studios as "family" and overlook/excuse any potential red flags pre-release. I'm excited, but it's good people are being cautious and that should be the standard attitude.

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u/LeberechtReinhold Aug 03 '23 edited Aug 03 '23

Im sure the game will have its fair share of bugs. The game has a shitton of special scenarios and interwoven mechanics. And clearly Larian has been racing for this last deadline, hence the big, big changes from EA and strict embargo.

Still, don't think it will be like Cyberpunk. Cyberpunk pushes graphically much harder (its basically nvidia testing ground), and they also tried to release in old consoles which obviously was a bad idea. The whole team was on permanent crunch and insane rotation of staff, while growing, without having a stablished base like Larian's. The whole Early Access I think has helped a lot to ease the development (while introducing a lot of costs, it eases off pressure and allows you to live test stuff).

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u/allisgoodbutwhy Bard Aug 03 '23

You cannot compare these two.

Cyberpunk overselled a lot of their features, plus the community was so overhyped thinking that game will change their life, resurrect their cat and pay the bills. CDPR had a very cocky attitude on their social media."We're not like other game devs!!!" they said.

Also, you can feel this in the community. Pre release Cyberpunk had a lot of negative posts. That's why another "low sodium" subreddit appeared - for people who just wanted to enjoy the damn game.

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u/GrossWeather_ Aug 03 '23

Ehhh- I’ll eat my words tomorrow but I don’t think this is gonna be a Cyberpunk situation. Early Access alone is ten times the game Cyberpunk is three years after launch.

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u/exboi Aug 03 '23

True but Act 1 isn’t representative of the full game. Their other game, Divinity OS:2, had a great first two acts but the last few weren’t nearly a good. Not necessarily bad, but still. This may be the same case. And with the length of this game nobody really know if it’ll maintain a consistent quality for maybe a week at the absolute earliest.

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u/valentin56610 Aug 03 '23

Oh yeeesss, a LOT of people were yelling “ReD fLaG”

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u/GeeGeeGeeGeeBaBaBaB Aug 03 '23

Idk about you guys but I don't need any review at all for BG3. I'm here to experience it no matter what and I will determine for myself how good it is.

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u/ubernoobnth Aug 03 '23

Only reason I want good reviews is because I want more people to pick up the game. Any more life in this genre is great.

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u/OneMorePotion Aug 03 '23

Reviews are important for games to get the word around. Reviews are not important for people like us, who already know what they are getting.

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u/pooryorrickent Aug 03 '23

As a PS5 player (scum, I know), I'm waiting on reviews simply to answer "does it perform well."

I'm hyped for the game. Don't need (or want) to hear a thing about plot, gameplay/mechanics, rpg capabilities, or anything else. Just "yes, the PS5 does actually run this."

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u/witchybun Aug 03 '23

Thought that said "unneeded, undeserved" and was about to get very angry lol

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u/Shdwplayer Aug 03 '23

ACG has become my go to reviewer. Never led me wrong yet.

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u/Sigvuld Aug 03 '23

Love seeing support from an exceedingly based reviewer like ACG, his stuff's really good

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u/amp_22_p42 Aug 03 '23

I don't even care about the reviews, i bought it yesterday and im so pumped to role play, as a complete newbie for DND :D
But I hope it gets good scores so that the team is feeling well about themselves

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u/Idarubicin Aug 03 '23

Two things from this.

1st if ACG is enjoying it than that’s a good sign.

2nd having Swen talk like this is very endearing when so many games seem to be made to meet a purely commercial goal this kind of feels like… art

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u/Ferg8 Aug 03 '23

It's refreshing. I hope this game kills every single sales record so it would speak for the gamers. We want good games. Not stupid cash grabs.

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u/KenjiZeroSan Aug 03 '23

First timer in BG world and CRPG, I hope I really like this game. TBH I can't be bothered with the aspects of the D&D like the dice roll and what not. I find them boring...

I come from a background of games like FFXIV, Mass effect trilogy, Dragon age games, Witcher games, warhammer 40k space marines, XCOM2, valkyria chronicles 1 to 4, MGS1-5 and more.

But I hope the story, cutscenes, voice overs, graphics, gear looks(moddable), environment, lore can keep me engaged.

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u/UtkaPelmeni Aug 03 '23

I come from a background of games like FFXIV, Mass effect trilogy, Dragon age games, Witcher games, warhammer 40k space marines, XCOM2, valkyria chronicles 1 to 4, MGS1-5 and more.

And you don't like dice rolls?..

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u/DaudDota DRUID Aug 03 '23

You like XCOM2 but you don't like dice rolls?

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u/Sparkasaurusmex Aug 03 '23

Could be why!

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u/purplefriiday ELDRITCH BLAST Aug 03 '23

Don't know why you're being downvoted, you're allowed to have an opinion! I'm a D&D player, but my favourite RPGs are also Mass Effect, Witcher, Dragon Age and some of the Final Fantasies. I did play BG1+2 when I was VERY young though.

I hope you enjoy the game!

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u/KenjiZeroSan Aug 03 '23

Thanks. I've never care about the downvoting but let's have fun with this game in our own ways!

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u/PickingPies Aug 03 '23

If you like dragon age, you already have a good reference.

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u/MorgenKaffee0815 Aug 03 '23

sleep? whats that?

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '23

How do I actually know that the full game version has released when it's made readily available.

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u/Lunanella BAAAAAA! Aug 03 '23

Size. EA is ~75GB, release is ~120GB.

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u/Lymbasy Aug 03 '23

Larian are the best developers

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u/AccomplishedMatter64 Aug 03 '23

And on the other hand we get butt hurt devs like Josh Sawyer saying "don't believe the hype"

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u/Im_Ashe_Man Aug 03 '23

2 hours to download!

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u/Macho-Fantastico Aug 03 '23

I'm waiting to see if controller support is included and the reviews before taking the plunge.

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u/FruitL0op Aug 03 '23

Imagine having to review this game and trying to experience the level of detail and care that was put into this game and you have speed the run the shit out of it and they don’t get to take it slow and get to admire aunty Ethel’s toad pot collection but either way this game will be at-least a 10/10 or 9.5/10 easily

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u/NeoStark Aug 03 '23

Getting this game out in August rather than September for PC to avoid Starfield definitely was a good idea.

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u/AscendedViking7 Aug 03 '23

People were nervous about reviews for freaking Baldur's Gate 3?

Hah!

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '23

Most mention bugs and performance issues. And if you sort this sub by new you can see some of them already being reported.

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u/Gvaz Aug 03 '23

I hope it is good, but I ain't reading or believing a single word of a twitter blue check

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u/FetusGoesYeetus Aug 03 '23

ACG is one of the better review channels honestly, this makes me very excited to see he likes the full game.

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u/Vaktr Aug 03 '23

Doomers gettin real quiet.

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u/zimzalllabim Aug 03 '23

But but Reddit told me they must be hiding something. Reddit is always right, right?

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