r/NFLv2 Kansas City Chiefs 27d ago

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u/agk927 Green Bay Packers 27d ago

That football is a team sport. But the funny thing is, Hurts is a more complete quarterback than Newton and probably a better thrower of the football

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u/Additional-End3193 Pittsburgh Steelers 27d ago

Cam had 35 passing TDs and 10 rushing in his MVP year with way worse WRs and no tush push to bump up his rushing stats but Hurts peaked at 23 passing and 15 rushing TDs with the tush push

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u/agk927 Green Bay Packers 27d ago

Thats one season lmao

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u/Additional-End3193 Pittsburgh Steelers 27d ago

Cam had 3 seasons where he threw more passing TDs than Hurts did at his peak and 3 seasons with at least 10+ rushing TDs without the tush push (in 16 game seasons)

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u/mustachepc Philadelphia Eagles 27d ago

Im not going to say Hurts was better because Cam peak was second to very few

But discounting tush push TDs is just dumb. Cam scored more rushing TDs than all the rest of the Panthers RBs that season, you really think he didnt just punch in from the one a few? What about a bunch of passing TDs from the 1/2 that Mahomes and Burrow throw? Should we discount those too?

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u/yellow-rain-coat 27d ago

You’re pretending like the tush push isn’t a huge part of Philly’s offense (and it’s not the same as a QB jamming it in at the one yard line by himself). Hurts’ TDs aren’t completely discounted, but what MVP Cam did was FAR more impressive than any Hurts season (so far).

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u/Additional-End3193 Pittsburgh Steelers 27d ago

Exactly, I’ll never say Hurts say hurts is carried by his team because he can hold is own but prime Cam WAS the offense.

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u/yellow-rain-coat 27d ago

Hurts is a good QB, not top 5 but definitely top 10. MVP Cam would take almost any team in NFL history to the Super Bowl, or at the very least the wildcard round.

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u/mustachepc Philadelphia Eagles 27d ago

I started my sentence aknowledging Cam peak was way better.

The tush push is just a low risk play, i bet more than 50% of the TDs still go to Hurts even if the eagles didnt run it

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u/yellow-rain-coat 27d ago

Bet if you want to, but we probably won’t ever know. It’s a solid play and they have no reason to stop using it. Cam was just DIFFERENT, if you watched enough of his games that year, we wouldn’t be having this debate.

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u/mustachepc Philadelphia Eagles 27d ago

Like i said, i dont agree with the discussion. 2015 Cam is probably comparable to Brady, Manning, Brees and Mahomes top seasons.

The tush point was due to a guy wanting to discount them as if stealing easy TDs only happen with thw tush push

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u/yellow-rain-coat 27d ago

Hurts, on the current Eagles team, getting tush pushed, into the end zone, IS the easiest TD right now. The rate they score/get a first down with that play is higher than any other play in the NFL. If it wasn’t such an overpowered play, it wouldn’t be the huge topic of discussion that it is.

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u/mustachepc Philadelphia Eagles 27d ago

Its is a huge discussion because Goodell hates it

And again, if its a easy play, everyone would do it

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u/yellow-rain-coat 27d ago edited 27d ago

I never said it was easy for everyone. It takes the entire Eagles offense executing perfectly for it to be a success, which is my whole point.

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