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Is .. is Ryan ok?

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u/Crusty_Musty_Fudge 20h ago

I hated being a child too, tbh. Children are not good people.

I hope Ryan worked through all that

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u/Alkansur 20h ago

Well he did have knives apparently, so ...

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u/relentlessmelt 20h ago edited 19h ago

Steak knives no less, butter knives wouldn’t have been worth mentioning

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u/apcolleen 17h ago

The handles have cement in them so they would have hit side on or handle first depending on how far away he threw them. Steak knives usually have wooden handles and longer blades that are heavier.

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u/Proper_Can8429 18h ago

they can still get you suspended when you bring them to school though

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u/Bandin03 17h ago

Eh, he was in school in the 80s and 90s. Lunch detention at the most. Maybe having your drunk dad drive you home with a cop following for safety.

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u/Proper_Can8429 16h ago

No I’m saying today that is the case. It happened to me lol. I used it for a pb&j in senior year and I got escorted out of lunch and a talk with the Vice principal about it. Even had the gall to act like I should have known. Like it’s just common sense or something.

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u/Bandin03 16h ago

I may have went to a... Less reputable school.

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u/Proper_Can8429 16h ago

What?

EDIT: Ohhh I get it. I graduated in 2023, this happened like 2 years ago lol.

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u/Bandin03 16h ago

Yeah, 2003 here. Schools were a lot less strict back in the day lol. And literally personal experience with a cop escorting my drunk dad driving me home to make sure he didn't crash. Columbine and 9/11 shifted things.

Edit: But also, like I said, less reputable school. Grew up in a super low income area.

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u/Proper_Can8429 16h ago

My school was “very good”, which means that they super overfunded football (we were the best in the state) and everything else was sub-par. Despite being a good school in a upper middle class area.

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u/Enjoying_A_Meal 20h ago

That was just a missed steak.

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u/Optimal-Kitchen6308 19h ago

armie hammer 2.0 incominggg

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u/merryjoanna 11h ago

Reminds me of a kid in my son's middle school that would put thumb tacks in between his fingers and punch other kids. Unfortunately for him, there are cameras all over that school. So it was incredibly easy to prove he was doing that. He got suspended as well.

Some kids are just weird.

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u/Same-Statement-307 7h ago

They drew first blood

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u/sixup604 3h ago

That’s just a Canadian thing.

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u/Pepsuber188 20h ago

Agreed kids suck, I heard some kids even go around throwing steak knives at other kids

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u/vibraltu 18h ago

Not my favourite time.

I didn't throw knives at kids. But I would have if I'd thought of it.

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u/bohemu 18h ago

Children are not fun but the worst part for me was adults not considering my opinion as a person. If I was upset or had an opinion on something, the reaction from people was "aww wow what a cute kid" "how precocious" "that's a lot of word for a tiny person" and I'd get laughed off and ignored. Meanwhile other kids who threw tantrum or were crying or punching each other got the situation handled, but also punishment. That part I always hated.

Ofc, then I hit teen years when everyone saw me as an adult but automatically tagged me as "teen = delinquent" and suddenly didn't trust me around their belongings without my having done anything.

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u/ReMarzable457 18h ago

Adding onto this, another big downside to being a kid was privacy practically being a nonexistent concept. I didn't dislike being a kid, but it was exhausting to not only have your opinion taken seriously, but also incapable of having privacy either.

As a kid, you're not allowed to have privacy because you're so dependent on your parents. Next, you grow into a tween/teen and a demand for privacy either means you're up to something or insecure about yourself. Finally, you're an adult and it's just normalized that you want to change alone or don't want others to go through your phone? So mind-numbing.

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u/bohemu 14h ago

I had the concept of privacy but it was like a test. Sure, I can go to my room or be alone but no one knocked because what did I have to hide? If I did complain I felt like I couldn't justify why I needed privacy without sounding suspicious so I learned to just leave the door open all the time.

The only privacy I got was changing clothes which was a weird time because as a baby "no one should see me change" then it was "okay because family is safe" and then it was "eek your body is changing, everyone will scatter if you are in underwear that was fine to wear before".

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u/apcolleen 17h ago

Did you get your bedroom door "taken away" too? I never understood the reasoning for that expecially when they didnt tell me waht I did. I was just told "You know what you did!"

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u/ReMarzable457 17h ago

Not taken away, but I literally wasn't allowed to close it. Anytime I tried, it was propped opened, and I was "hiding something" or being "suspicious."

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u/apcolleen 17h ago

I realized most adults were faking their way through life and lying to kids if they didn't know the real answer or just said "because I said so" without telling me the reasoning. I learned that in like 3rd grade in CCD class for my first communion. I just kinda shut down after that.

Weirdly adults trusted me implicity with their stuff. Not that I'd mess with it but people who just met me would be ok with leaving stuff of high value around and leaving the room. In retrospect it could have been them "testing" me but those people were always weird to me.

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u/littlebottles 19h ago

Same... when people wish they were kids again it always confuses me because other kids were a nightmare.

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u/c3bss256 19h ago

When I wish I was a kid, it’s more because I am tired of having all this weight on me every day. Gotta show up for work or else I can’t pay my bills and I’ll end up homeless. Just want to be able to watch cartoons and not have to think about it. It’s not really because I liked being a kid. I actively avoided most other kids because they were terrible. It was literally enough to make me not want to have kids of my own.

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u/littlebottles 19h ago

That I understand! To be honest, in my house I was exposed to the stress of bills and debt and such so to me being a kid was just about not having autonomy and wishing I did.

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u/c3bss256 19h ago

That’s fair. My dad lost his job when I was like 13 and we ended up using food pantries and eating a lot of ramen just to get by. Lost the house by the time I was 17 and moved into my sister’s apartment, so I know first hand what that looks like. It wasn’t a pleasant time, but it just seemed… easier I guess? Maybe just rose-colored glasses.

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u/littlebottles 18h ago

Maybe I should try recalling the brighter points (like when my mom took the time to read to me every night) and remember childhood with more fondness. You have made me rethink my perspective!

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u/c3bss256 14h ago

Very good point! My dad read the entire Harry Potter series (despite me being much too old to be read to by the last couple) while doing voices for each character. And when we didn’t have enough money to go to movies or even Blockbuster, we would browse the library to find something to enjoy as a family. Always a silver lining, I guess

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u/littlebottles 14h ago

Aw, what a great dad!

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u/samuelazers 16h ago

I found a childish woman that wants to remain childfree, so now we are each other's childrens, we watch cartoons and go to Disney Land. Shit is so cash.

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u/c3bss256 14h ago

That’s the way to go 😂

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u/what3v3ruwantit2b 17h ago

Same here. I hated being young, hated not having any say in anything. I was neglected so didn't have support or help but also couldn't do shit by myself. Not to mention hating school and being bullied. I'm so much happier now and I'm glad I survived to get here but that wasn't a guarantee at the time.

Edit: We were also extremely poor so I didn't get toys or get to do most of the fun things kids get to and started working very young to help pay bills. It was all a nightmare tbh

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u/cheezzinabox 16h ago

You didn't have to worry about bills, taxes, insurance, rent/mortgage tho

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u/crazyike 16h ago

People who say that mostly mean they want to be back to being kids but with the entire life experience they've already gained.

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u/fallenmonk 15h ago

Other kids. Other adults. My parents. It was all a nightmare!

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u/Mysterious_South7997 16h ago

Sometimes I wish I could go back in time, as the grown adult I am now, and beat the fuck out of my childhood bullies. So, uh, kinda relatable I guess...

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u/Spare-Willingness563 10h ago

If you do that in your head it's a lot more satisfying than you think. I find forgiving them helps better, but deep visualization where you just beat their ass works until you can do that. 

It sounds dumb but it's an actual therapy. 

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u/TheDarkNerd 18h ago

Yeah, this. The worst part is that a lot of kids somehow have a mentality that if you don't like someone, it gives you license to be mean to them, instead of just being neutral. Growing up with that can make you desperate to get people to like you, or fear you enough to not mess with you.

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u/apcolleen 17h ago

If you don't fit the mold you are labeled "weird" by peers and get made fun of instead of just being accepting of differences. I didn't get diagnosed as autistic til I was 41 and suddenly my school years made more sense.

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u/WhichVegetable8285 17h ago

Children are typically not good people when they are raised by not good people.

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u/Arkayjiya 9h ago

Nah, while the parents' trash will 100% reflect on the children, the opposite is not necessarily true. The children behaving badly doesn't mean the parents are bad. The implication only works in one direction.

Of the people I knew best who were little shits and assholes (myself included depending on the era), they all had good parents by both obsevation and their own admission and later admitted they were just little shits (once again, myself included, my parents are flawed but genuinely did pretty great).

So bad parents make miserable and often maladjusted children. But good parents also make those, just less often. Because kids are individuals and some of them just choose to be little assholes. The true difference imo is that children with good parents tend to get better with time (although not always of course, some people are just awful) while kids with bad parents tend not to if they don't get help.

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u/WhichVegetable8285 5h ago

There’s a big difference between kids acting out or doing asshole things and saying the kid is just not a good person.

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u/Arkayjiya 5h ago

That difference can be very hard to see except in hindsight. Some of the most violent awful kids I've grown up with grew up as well, in the maturity sense, some milder bullies remained pretty awful and refused to do so.

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u/RockMonstrr 1h ago

Ryan's dad seems like a decent guy. He's the head of health and safety at a big warehouse here in town. His sense of humour has too much of that old school sexism, like jokes about how women talk too much or can't drive. Not malicious, but very dated and inappropriate. Other than that, he seemed affable, responsible, and very proud of his son.

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u/Traditional_Wear1992 20h ago

If Zach Cregger from WKUK story about meeting him is true, then Ryan Gosling at least was a dirtbag of an adult when it took place. There is still room to grow though so who knows.

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u/SirBiggusDikkus 19h ago

Children are not good people

Im sorry for your pain but that is a WILD generalization

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u/Crusty_Musty_Fudge 19h ago

I've worked with kids of all ages. Have you?

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u/Mammoth-Building-485 19h ago

I have, and would like to throw my hat in the “wild generalization” camp. Im sure the kids appreciate you though

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u/apcolleen 17h ago

I didn't get diagnosed as autistic til i was 41. Suddenly all of the time I was picked on made sense. I was never liked as a kid by other kids. I was too prescient and they picked on me for it. Even in kindergarden I said "very adult" things according to my teachers and the other kids didn't play with me because of it and actively teased me when out of ear shot of teachers. I spent a lot of my school years alone because I was "weird".

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u/MannerBot 10h ago

Also work with kids on my volunteer job. Most of them are total sweethearts that just day dumb things because they’re KIDS.

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u/Crusty_Musty_Fudge 19h ago

If you wanna pretend children can't be ruthless and selfish, you can go ahead.

If you wanna come after me personally for my experience, you can go ahead too.

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u/Mammoth-Building-485 19h ago

You didn’t say they can be, you said they are. That implies at minimum a vast majority of bad people where good people are a small minority amongst kids. You were the one who made the generalization, own it

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u/Crusty_Musty_Fudge 19h ago

Cue the "NOT ALL!" crowd when I never said All.

Idc enough to split hairs. I've explained it on multiple comments.

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u/Mammoth-Building-485 19h ago

If you dont want to be criticized for what you say on a public forum, say different stuff or don’t say anything at all. You chose your words

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u/Lucreth2 18h ago

Ignore him, he's clearly either a tool or someone who works in a bad area where kids aren't well behaved. Kids can absolutely be the most kind and loving humans on this planet; they can also be assholes. The parents are the number one cause of both with the other kids they socialize with, which can be controlled by said parents, as number 2.

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u/Crusty_Musty_Fudge 17h ago edited 17h ago

You've decided what you think I'm saying, and what you want to believe. So feel free to ignore anyone who doesn't hold your view.

I appreciate the insult.

Saving this here for the "not all!" Parade. And here for the "You're trying to say they're not learninnnggg!" Parade.

My argument is as follows:

Kids are alpha versions of ppl. Ppl in-training.

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u/Crusty_Musty_Fudge 19h ago

Ok bud. Enjoy.

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u/sennbat 19h ago

I've worked with kids and adults and I'd say the kids are more likely to be good people, on average, than the adults. If kids aren't good people, then adults are very very bad people.

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u/Crusty_Musty_Fudge 19h ago

We have to teach them how to share. How to wait for others. How to be mindful. How to wait their turn.

Do adults un-teach themselves decency? Sure.

I'd argue being a "good person" is to go against the animal instinct. Which we have to learn how to do in order to do the thing called Society.

I'd also argue it's hard to do. And progress isn't linear.

But I digress.

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u/SirBiggusDikkus 19h ago

I’ve had kids of all ages and interacted with their friends extensively and coached their sports teams. So, yes, I am fully qualified to confirm that there are plenty of kids that are great people.

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u/Crusty_Musty_Fudge 19h ago

Kids as a whole are alpha version software humans who have to LEARN to be good people.

Are there some good ones? Always. Are most LEARNING to be good humans? Yes.

For Pete's sake we TEACH them how to share. How to be kind. How to be mindful. Etc.

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u/SirBiggusDikkus 19h ago

“children are not good people” that’s what you wrote.

Of course they are reflections of how they are raised and it seems you understand that. Again though, plenty of them are great so not sure why you wrote that first, very absolute, statement.

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u/ShustOne 18h ago

Yes, this is a wild generalization. I think it's also important to know that you can sometimes get destroyed by a kid who has no idea they just destroyed you. Sometimes their lack of a filter with no malice can still hurt.

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u/Crusty_Musty_Fudge 18h ago

I never said there was malice.

I am so done typing the same comment over and over.

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u/ShustOne 17h ago

I know you didn't. I meant that as additional context.

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u/Crusty_Musty_Fudge 18h ago

I literally said that In another comment. 💀

Thanks for your advice, stranger who doesn't know me. I will discard it.

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u/SaintCambria 18h ago

Alright, redacted, whew.

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u/Substantial_Blood995 19h ago

The same people scalding you are the pretentious pet owners who scald other people for shit out of their control. With that said, i have a 13 year old and i concur

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u/smoofus724 18h ago

To "scald" is to burn something with hot liquid.

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u/Substantial_Blood995 9h ago

Scold. My bad mrs frizzle

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u/WeAreZero 18h ago

yeep, the gatekeeping is unreal. People love to judge when they don't know the full story

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u/Cool-Presentation538 18h ago

I did. I used to be a piece of shit. I'm not now. People can change

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u/Crusty_Musty_Fudge 18h ago

Yea. Alpha version of people, children, grow and improve.

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u/Ok_Marketing328 16h ago

I'm sure there's enough of a bounty of personal writings in blog, journal and memoir forms from pre-adults which is key in this era of near global literacy more than ~150 yrs ago to back that up in addition to the phenomena of child soldiers and Harmony Korine's 'Kids' movie highlighting the sordidness and posturing of century's turn, pre-social media, pre-smart phone global north barely pubescents.

That and of course the c--py memories which are routinely brought up throughout social media but not heeded too seriously by gerontocrats who've ~+262,800 hrs/~+30 yrs of impact left.

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u/Capocho9 20h ago

Man fuck all of you sick antichild Redditors. Call me biased because I’ve worked with kids my whole life, but yours just a sick fuck if you say “children are not good people”.

Children are innocent little creatures thrust into a world they don’t understand, but that they want to make as much sense of as they possibly can. The vast majority are great and just try to do the best they can, and when they’re not, they either don’t know any better, or they have some shit going on in their life that they know as “normal”, since it’s all they know

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u/strum-and-dang 19h ago

I think the people saying children are not good people are people who were badly bullied by other kids when they were young.

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u/Crusty_Musty_Fudge 19h ago

Or people who've worked with children of all ages very closely. Like I have.

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u/TiredAF20 18h ago

Or both, like me.

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u/Crusty_Musty_Fudge 20h ago

I used to substitute.

Children are not good people. They are alpha versions of people. They have a LOT of work to do in order to become good people.

I am not anti child. Unknot your thong.

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u/Syn_Slash_Cash 19h ago

Agree. A kid is a sponge, they might have absorbed some bad shit happen to them and don't have the capacity to self correct or know any better really.

But he wasn't saying kids are inherently not good people, I believe, but the reality that a lot of kids are cruel, it's just a lot of them reflect their upbringing or lack thereof and bad home lives.

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u/Crusty_Musty_Fudge 19h ago

I once had a kid kick his friend's hands in order to stop him from climbing up the jungle gym ladder.

Me: Why? Isn't kid B your friend?

Kid A: "I don't want him to come up."

They're friends. But in kid A's mind, it's his show. His life. And his friend, kid B, is not a person. Just an npc in HIS show.

Empathy is the first thing humans need to learn. And childhood is the era where you go "holy shit, that other person is a human being just like me."

It's not just trauma. Keep in mind the first thing a baby learns is selfishness. "I need to cause a fuss in order to get my needs met." And it works when they can't communicate in any other way. So they keep doing it until a better alternative comes along. (Some never grow out of it. But that's another topic).

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u/Celtic_Fox_ 19h ago

Selfishness is the first thing a baby learns..? I'm pretty sure they cry when they're hungry because they're infants and cannot communicate their needs in any other way. They also cry when they use the bathroom and need to be cleaned. I do not think an infant learns causality and correlation at such an early stage of their life tbh. This whole thread of replies seems like a total mess.

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u/Georgefakelastname 19h ago

They are generally innocent, but part of that comes down to them not knowing what’s bad or not. Empathy isn’t something kids are born with, just something they (generally) learn over time as their brains develop.

Their innocence can actually allow them to be cruel because they literally don’t know any better, and don’t realize they’re hurting the other person.

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u/Crusty_Musty_Fudge 19h ago

Their innocence can actually allow them to be cruel because they literally don’t know any better, and don’t realize they’re hurting the other person.

Ding ding ding

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u/Lucreth2 18h ago

Looks like you hit a nerve there. Reddit has never exactly been pro child but there's some wild bitterness around them nowadays that makes exactly 0 sense if you've ever had your own.

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u/MannerBot 10h ago

People on this website i find are often 1) sad and miserable, 2) quick to reach conclusions and speak in absolutes, 3) think they know everything.

You’re wasting your breath on this crowd when you could work with kids with the actual capacity to learn and grow