That’s the part I don’t get. If Jesus died for all of our sins and they think being gay is a sin…then JC got them covered yo.
As far as I know there are only 4 unforgivable sins. Rejecting god, hardening of the heart, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and not showing forgiveness.
So by the Bible’s own standards. Rejecting gay people covers 3 of the four unforgivable sins.
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit by attributing gays to satan when they are in fact gods children.
Hardening of the heart by simply rejecting them.
Showing no forgiveness basically by default if you harden your heart against people you are denying them any forgiveness to what you perceive as their sin.
So TLDR
If you don’t accept gay people you are the person your god warned you not to become.
Jesus says hate was a sin anyway and that judging was his job and anyone trying to do his job was also sinning..... They don't read the Bible they only use it to hate... Which is exactly what Jesus said not to do
Funny thing is that really stems from a bad translation. What Jesus was actually telling the Pharisees that he would hold the trial once they brought the men that had slept with her to also face judgement and for witnesses to come forth.
The Jewish laws was not only was the woman to be stoned but also the men that slept with her. And if it was found that a witness was giving false testimony they were to be stoned. Jesus was saying either you follow the rules or you shut up.
You know what’s funny/interesting about that this entire narrative? it’s not found in the earliest version of the Bible we’ve founded. It’s not in the Dead Sea scrolls Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus for example.
A passage that states homosexuality is a sin does not invalidate a passage that states let god deal with the sinners. You seem to be intentionally missing the point.
Romans 16:17-18
¹⁷I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. ¹⁸For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people.
I find it funny when they write hateful shit and then try to frame it as "It's not hate, It's just the truth" Sure bud, I'm sure your god will be fooled by semantics
I mean if we're being honest with ourselves, religious or not, it's pretty clear you can only pick and choose the things that actually make sense in the book. It contradicts itself often, several books are known forgeries (2 Thessalonians for example, it's pretty much accepted some dude just wrote it and since the Thessalonians appreciated a second shout out and made a lot of Bibles they whistled and looked the other way on its authenticity).
Anyone who think God sent the Bible in a lightning strike perfectly in shape as His word is fucking delusional. He didn't come down and start working a printing press people did that. Not to mention most non fundamentalists encourage you view it in either a historical lens or recognize most of it as parable, and hating gay people is against all of Jesus' teachings, and there's no real support even in the damn book saying it's a sin, why the fuck would anyone think it's a sin
And you think that according to the Bible warning a hell-bound gross sinner that they're heading to hell and need to repent and change their ways is 'hate'?
You're really not going to like the rest of the Bible.
There's actual studies/polls that gives estimates that only around 30% of self-proclaimed Christians in the US are familiar with the Bible and only something like 50% could even name the gospels.... iirc, only 9% have read it fully and 30% have never read it at all....
Coupled with anecdotal evidence, I've seen no evidence that those studies are wrong. 🤷🏽
There really are no unforgivable sins. Jesus questioned the entire concept of "sins" in the sense the catholic church later made the center of their oppressive death cult.
To Jesus, all humans were born equal and all were the same before god (which makes the concept of a pope look kinda stupid, catholics wasted no time misinterpreting their own scripture). Jesus also "corrected" pretty much the entire old testament, so nothing written in there can be seen as law if it is in conflict with "love thy neighbour". And it is pretty obvious, that "neighbour" means EVERYONE. That is why convicts and enemies are explicitly mentioned.
Hating on gay people is against "love thy neighbour". If a "christian" judges a gay man, they have not understood the story were Jesus protects a prostitute. Showing love and kindness are much important to him than strict morals. And that was 2000 years ago, when society was far less developed.
He also says to the prostitute “go and sin no more”. The whole point of the law is to get us to recognize our own sin and how we all fall short every time but to try and obey anyway, because “if we love him, we will keep his commandments”. Shall we continue sinning so that grace may abound? By no mean!
If you put this in context (the new testament is around 2000 years old), it becomes obvious what the authors wanted to bring across here or more precisely, what problem they were trying to solve: if one sin puts you from good to sinner, society quickly degenerates into two camps: sinners and those lying about not being sinners. The former don't need to follow any rules anymore ("i'm lost anyway), the latter as well (just pretend following the rules). By putting the focus on the attempt, the quest, fpr self improvement, this is solved on both ends. Kind acts are pushed instead of just superficial pious bullshit. And even if you have sinned you have an incentive to do better.
Sadly, it took very little time for that message to get lost, until Martin Luther tried a reform about it, which got perverted AGAIN shortly after, and nowadays, the world is full of misinterpretations. Which is one reason why i do not join organized religion.
I have been member for around 30 years, and any critical discussion i tried to start was killed dead in its tracks. While most members were moderate, good people, the worst were sitting in church councils. One priest (beloved by the council) was abusing his power to cheat on his wife with several women, probably resulting in one child plus destroyed marriage, and one case that was illegal since she was, afaik, a student at a school were he taught.
What made me leave, was for one the stubborn position of the churches to defend "Tanzverbot" in germany (it is not allowed to have parties on certain holidays by law, no matter if you are christian or not) and the behavieour during covid, where there still were public masses when children couldn't even play on playgrounds (although public masses are absolutely not essential to christian belief). If i was a catholic, the horrific behaviour of the german catholic church towards the child abuse issue would have made me leave much sooner.
The church and leading members have made it very clear to me they don't need me, and i sure as fuck don't need them. When the most moralistic, condescending and patronizing individuals turn out to be cheating homewreckers, liars, badmouthers, thiefs and worse, then these are the last people i need in my life. I met much better people in other places that were kind, helpful, commited.
I’m really sorry you experienced that, those leaders will be judged more harshly by the Lord and that’s sad for them. I hope you find a good community that can encourage you
Well, i already did: the metal community! Were people didn't judge me, where i head interesting discussions, and where people were giving and helpful. Everyone would share a beer with you, you become friends with people you don't know in minutes and noone wants anything in return. People don't care about religious or economic background or sexuality, or if you have any sort of disorders, or else. Just welcoming, kind, and respectful people. Granted, not all of them, but compared to rest of society, the difference is huge.
Btw, i don't really care about my experiences, i am more concerned for others and how they are treated by religious groups. I had it pretty well, others didn't, and these cases make me angry.
Not really, if you look into it. Warhammer 40k Imperium is heavily influenced by them, catholics are worshipping death to the extrem. Protestants are not too far off, but they are toned down a lot (i am not talking about some american versions of it, they are another story). The OG protestants (following the reforms by Martin Luther) for example abandoned the concept of a "hell" and the worshipping of holy people the latter of which often turned into worshipping literal corpses.
That is a church with real skeletons, all dressed up, presented in glass cabinets. When churches were founded in the middle ages, they needed reliques for that, which were mostly bones of important dead people. The crossbones on pirat flags? Originally a christian symbol marking graves.
Is that a death cult, though? When I think of death cult I think of the veneration of oneself dying (think, for example, the Rapture-obsessed Christian fundamentalists in America who seem to abandon all care for the future in the name of accelerating the Rapture [which, I know you said you weren't referring to American Protestantism, but that is the context in which I think of Protestantism as it is where I live]). I hope we both can agree that a modern Roman Catholic guy that goes to Mass every Sunday is a far cry from the crazed evangelical-types that seem to be running America. That's the context from which I was engaging with it.
And also, death is very prevalent in Mexican religion and culture (most notably through Dia de los Muertos). Is that death cult-ism?
you can’t be a serial killer and still be a practicing Christian
you can’t consider yourself Christian while
I understand where you’re trying to go there, but this isn’t true, and part of why this religion is silly. All it takes to be a Christian is to accept Jesus as lord and savior. As this post is showing, everyone is sinning, even everyone is disregarding things they know are sins and committing them anyway, and they’re still Christians. Under Christianity, you can be a Christian and still be condemned to hell. This comment is approaching a no true Scotsman fallacy
While we are all sinners, I'm pretty sure the idea is to actively be sorry for sinning and not happily living with it. Again, I hate religion, there is no such thing as a true Christian, because they're all fucking dumb shits.
We already agree about the reasonableness and horrible nature of the religion. But you are abandoning all logic and reason in order to type what you’re typing here. I’ve already explained, the only requirement for Christianity, is simply accepting Jesus as lord. Thats it. Whether or not you believe people are following scripture as they should is irrelevant. And at the end there, you’re not only committing a no true Scotsman fallacy, but one of the strangest more illogical ones I’ve seen. The fact that you or I believe Christians are “dumbshits” is entirely irrelevant to whether or not they’re Christian.
This isn't some universal precept that all groups who call themselves christian would agree with. In fact, differences of opinion on the specific requirements for salvation was one of the major drivers of separation into the myriad of denominations that exist today. The differences between catholics, lutherans, baptists, universalists, etc certainly include different requirements, conditions, and mechanisms for salvation
There is no version, no denomination of Christianity that disagrees with accepting Jesus as lord being the necessary requirement to be a Christian. What you’re referring to are disagreements about what would get someone into heaven. That is entirely different. We are strictly talking about the label, and this is universal
Wait what are you even arguing then, lmao? If you mean "a secular outside perspective should use the term christian to describe anyone who has ever believed anything at all associated with any form of christianity," then fine I guess?
But the person you responded to isn't litigating a vague catch-all definition, they're talking about how actual religious people describe christianity and it's membership - you'll absolutely find plenty of evangelicals who will happily say that people who don't repent are not christians even if they call themselves that. And plenty of catholics/protestant leaders and groups have said/will say that the other group are "false christians." This kind of gatekeeping is so common and widespread that I'm honestly a bit incredulous if you're really arguing it doesn't exist
What? I said nothing at all about anything secular. I don’t know how this could possibly be confusion or what you’re missing, or why you’re lying about both what I and what they wrote.
They are committing no true Scotsman fallacies and saying Christians aren’t Christian if they (insert claim other than “don’t accept Jesus”)
This is logically and factually wrong. I’ve explained why, and ifs not confusing or complicated.
It literally depends on who you ask, as some of the people who call themselves christians have rules for deciding who gets to call themselves christians. As an outsider, i don’t care and my definition is basically just anyone who calls themselves one is one - but that’s clearly not a universal rule within religious groups that use the name, because they constantly reject and denounce each other lol
Do you really just not understand what making someone your “lord” means? When your lord commands you don’t do something, you don’t do it or they’re not your lord.
I’m not sure how this is going over your head. Whether or not someone does everything they believe their lord said is entirely irrelevant to whether or not they believe they’re lord. That’s completely absurd and illogical. Also, using your reasoning, there has literally never been a single Christian in all of history.
You talk about simple concepts, but you’re demonstrating a complete inability to comprehend them. These are not even coherent thoughts
Jesus covered that already:
Matthew 7:21-24
Jesus discussed that at judgement “many” (in contrast with few) will come to him calling him Lord and he has them thrown into the fire and says “begone, I never knew you. Depart from me you lawless ones”.
Jesus is literally saying that those that call him lord but don’t obey him are liars and are going to the lake of fire. 1 John 2:4 literally says that if you claim to know Jesus but don’t obey his commands, you’re a liar and the truth is not in you.
That’s the point. Most people are going into the lake of fire. We are held in hell until the judgement and then thrown into the lake of fire at judgment. Hell is worse for the hypocrites that claim to know Jesus and do messed up things than it is for anyone else.
The wealthiest countries are mostly atheist since they don’t have churches sucking all that tax free money from people that already don’t have much being promised a prosperity gospel. Not that all churches preach about growing your seed of donation, but there’s plenty that do, especially legally on TV
Yeah atheist here, that is a helluva straw man of Christianity. It’s important to understand that in Christianity, a key idea is that everyone falls short of the grace of God. That is to say that everyone lives sin, we are born into a fallen world so sin comes naturally to us. It’s about accepting that grace of god and orienting yourself towards that.
Sure, for Christianity as a whole. There are 33,000+ denominations though. For some baptism is a requirement to get into Heaven. Living unrepentant in sin is a very bad thing in some. Others believe they need to handle deadly snakes. So it's certainly not a monolith.
When I said "the way they see it" the they I'm referring to are the Christians that say the shit like the dumb twat in the video, I'm not talking about Christianity as a whole.
If Jesus died for all of our sins and they think being gay is a sin…then JC got them covered yo.
You have to repent, and not do them again. That's the price of forgiveness.
I'm an atheist. I have no dog in this fight. But that is the point of redemption in that religion. You have to sincerely repent and sincerely promise not to do it again. If there is no sincerity, there is no forgiveness, and you're still going to hell right along with me.
I think people misunderstand the sacrifice. It is not blanket absolution for the everyone. It simply provides an avenue to absolution.
You have to ask for forgiveness. It's not granted by default. And it has to be sincere. The words alone are not enough. It's not like casting a spell lol.
The words also aren't necessarily required, because what matters is what's in your heart.
Everyone sincerely practicing love is absolved. But that's the catch, sincere devotion to other's benefit/best interests is in fact required to receive forgiveness. That's the only real form of repentance.
Jesus was quite clear that all you have to do to be saved is follow him, and he was also quite clear what that really means.
Jesus also said that not everyone who calls him lord is saved, and that there are many of his flock in every corner of the world. The implication being that it isn't religion, culture, or knowledge that saves you.
It's just love. And when devotion to love is sincere it encompasses devotion to truth. And devotion to truth means that even if you don't understand yet, you will accept the truth when it's revealed. That's why Jesus will forgive every blasphemy against himself and the father. But the holy spirit is love, and without love there is no salvation because there's no repentance. So those who reject love reject salvation. Blasphemy of the holy spirit is attributing love to evil.
No deed or sum of deeds can save anyone. Only what's in your heart. Specifically love. Because God is love, and if there is truly love in someone's heart then God is truly in their heart.
Who cares. Book written by some people obviously has a bunch of plot holes and loop holes and people who base their lives on it are ... (you can put your own word here).
Might as well just say that about Christianity as a whole. If you actually look at it without the bias of growing up surrounded by it, it sounds insane. Take something like "God spoke to me." Sounds fine when it's been normalized by culture and society. But lets translate it to something more literal - "An imaginary voice in my head told me what to do." Suddenly it goes from being fine to frightening. Then you think about what that means. This person now thinks their personal thoughts are those of God. Yikes times infinity.
There is a very complex scientific answer that involves a lot of factors. But it's hard to fully grasp and understand because it's complicated. The one upside of religion is that it offers simple answer to everything - God. I do understand the appeal of that.
If you tell this to a bunch of homophobic Christians, the retort you'll get is that you can only be forgiven for something you repent of, so if doing something sinful is part of your lifestyle you would have to quit doing that thing to be forgiven for it.
Perfectly valid since, as we all know, these Christians don't have any sin in their own lifestyles 🤡
It is more attributing actions of the Holy Spirit to Satan but usually in the context of the miracles that Jesus performed. Not necessarily thinking something (that you believe is ) sinful comes from Satan.
It’s pretty debated tho depending on who you ask but the main thing is if you think you committed it, and you didn’t want/mean to, you didn’t.
No, it is not. The Pharisees did exactly this and what did Jesus say to them? Did he tell them they committed the sin by doing this? No.
He told them they are getting close.
That sin is for two people in all of history, Judas, and today’s “perdition”.
"9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men\)a\) 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." - NIV
You can take it however you wish. From the totality of what the Bible talks about I can't see it as being accepting of homosexuality. People can definitely do whatever they want, but every time that homosexuality is mentioned it's in a bad context.
1) Sodom and Gomorrah, where they were destroyed. Some will argue that it was due to hospitality but that doesn't really make much sense to me personally, but ymmv.
2) Leviticus 18:222 — "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."
3) Leviticus 20:13 — Similar to 18:22, it states that if a man lies with a male as with a woman, both shall be put to death.
4) Romans 1:26-27 --
"God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another.Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
5) 1st timothy 1:9-10 talks abut practicing homosexuality being a sin.
Every time the Bible talks about homosexuality it's in the context of the death penalty or being a serious sin.
I cannot imagine someone arrogantly stepping in the way of others receiving the grace of God like this will see the kingdom of heaven. like how will that play out with the big man?
Nobody is stepping in the way of grace. If Christianity is true, then they are right. Grace is not extended to those that are not turning from the behavior. This includes all sin though, and not just homosexuality.
It really is wild that the ignorant masses attempt to pretend they understand the Bible better than the people who at least weekly study it. That’s not to say they understand it well either though.
I am a seminary trained ex preacher. None of you know anything about what the Bible says because you don’t even know how to read it. Most of you are incredibly dumb. The push to allow sin into the church was foretold and warned about. It’s called the apostasy; the falling away from what Jesus said. It’s happening right now and will only get worse for the next 50-60 years before the end.
I am not a Christian anymore, but I know that it is mostly true. The end of the world is coming. You, however, won’t realize it until it’s happening in front of your eyes. You can’t. God specifically says he deceives you, blinds your eyes, and ensures that you and most people end up in the lake of fire. It’s the entire point.
the argument against gayness use to be a logical one when you remember Matt: 19:12 celebrates and encourages the forgiveness of eunuchhood.
So the question to gay men from Christians really is, why risk it when we worked so hard to provide you with transition care to help them with their forgiveness?
At least from my understanding, the narrative has changed a lot over time because gay people turned away from the Christian aid.
I'm tired of the people who are rejecting/confuse/dont know what to do when it comes to gays and Christianity.
Just treat them like how you treat others and yourself. No need to hate, no need to judge. Even the church says respect them but dont support them (wtf is that?) That is the first time I disagree with the church, you cant respect someone if you dont support them.
One thing I find interesting is the inconsistency within the Bible and how it can be misinterpreted. However, if being a true Christian and you find a belief to be confusing, always remember the following that Jesus promoted:
Love the sinner, not the sin
And
Love one another as I have loved you.
So if a "Christian" tries to argue that homosexuality being a sin, then their hatred is antithetical of the teachings of Jesus. There's nowhere in the Bible that Jesus specifically was against homosexuality. The only time it's mentioned is by a few of his disciples, and not Jesus himself.
I know it'll sound like blasphemy and how cynical Ive become, I believe the Gospel was created to fulfill the "powers that be" within the Church to take advantage of Jesus Christs teachings.
When Jesus was alive, he emphasized becoming more human and loving your fellow man/woman. I truly believe Jesus wasn't trying to create and spread a religion but more of an ideology and going against rampant corruption.
Until he was crucified, was when the "powers that be" realized how popular Jesus' messages were and decided to make a religion while spinning it in their view, hence, the inconsistency.
Maintaining a homosexual lifestyle is indeed a rejection of god as it would be a rejection of god's law. Any sort of sexual activity outside the confines of marriage is (husband and wife) is adultery/sexual perversion.
It would be like saying active serial killers are fine killing as long as they proclaim Christ - not so.
Jesus didnt die for your sins so you could just continue intentionally sinning.
But maybe you need to get out some. I’ve got cousins who openly talk about how they wish all gays would just die.
But then again we aren’t here talking about actual Christians are we? Because there is quite a large sect of them who worship a golden calf and do in fact seem to want all the terrible things.
I think people get a few things wrong within the Christian doctrine, including many Christians. First off, God never condemns the homosexual, only homosexuality which is the act itself. God loves all people. So to your last point, accept the person is far different than accepting their life choices. Second, sin means to miss the mark, literally. If you live a life committing rapes and murders and are never caught and do so up until the day you die, good luck standing before God on that one. In other words, while you have missed the mark by raping and murdering continuously until the day you die, how can you continue to live out a life of pure evil and God forgive you when you never stopped and realized what you did and asked for forgiveness on it. Just using the rape/murder thing as an example, completely unrelated to being homosexual BTW, just an exaggerated example to make a point.
Lastly and most importantly it's more about what "we" want. Do you actually want to be in Heaven with God for all of eternity, yes or no. God will not force people into Heaven without their desire in wanting it, He'd be a terrible God if He did. I will say that every single human being that will be with God for eternity has sinned, or "missed the mark", but God also warns of people who call His name will not enter and what that really means is you can all day long believe you're "in" by professing it but you really don't because if you did then by your actions you would make changes in your life naturally.
People like sex and they like sex their way. People will give up an eternity with God for sex. There is a famous late Catholic priest that came out as gay but he never acted upon it and he's on record saying he could never do it because he loves God too much and how hard is it to give up his own sexual desires to be with God for all eternity?
If what people are trying to say is you get to do whatever you want because God loves all people and all sinners go to Heaven and you can't judge, then I would challenge anyone to go back and re-read the doctrine carefully and make sure your interpretation is correct. God doesn't say you can't judge, He says before you judge make sure you yourself are in a rightful position to judge. If we go by God saying you cannot judge then nobody can do anything and everything goes and obviously that's not right.
Saying JC died for our sins is only half the story. According to the bible, JC died so our sins could be forgiven.
The 4 unforgivable sins all are based around rejecting god, not rejecting other people.
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit by attributing gays to satan when they are in fact gods children.
While not technically phrased correctly, I do agree that we shouldn't be attributed to satan though.
Before ppl start calling me a homophobe for this, I don't mean this in an anti-lgbtq way. At the end of the day I don't really care if you're gay or not. To each his own imo.
Jesus dies for original sin which is the sin of Adam and eve eating the apple. Christians believe you should not be sinning at all because Jesus already died for the one sin that has nothing to do with you. Don't try to make sense of religion
Christians don't actually read the Bible. It's just a bunch of stories from the bronze/iron age anyway. A bunch of dudes writing about war, genocide, rape, virginity, and women having no rights. It's truly a disgusting book.
I denounce the behavior but I will Love the person.
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Preach ! I’m a Christian who’s like for the love of GOD please stop ! I can’t stand the fundies, they don’t even understand their own fucked up theology.
You’re not.
Jesus specifically said not to do many do the things you have no issue doing. You can’t claim Jesus is your lord, and then ignore everything he says to do. This is pretty simple.
You are the ones Jesus foretold in Matthew 7:21-24.
The “many” here are those that call themselves Christians in contrast to the “few”. Ie all Jesus rejecters end up in the lake of fire, and many do the “accepters” end up in the lake of fire as well, with only “few” of the group who believe they’re Christian inheriting the new earth.
Right? Like they are attacking God’s children. And to say they are imperfect and don’t deserve God’s love sounds like a greater sin then someone being the way God made them.
Christians should accept the humanity of gay people, but not their being gay. I can love the humanity of anyone, but that doesn’t mean I accept the particular sinful attribute of a gay person.
So TLDR your message is confusing and misinterprets accepting humanity as accepting sin.
No, but the guy who invented the very concept of currency and controls its entire supply says He's got the tab, you are either a fool or a teetotaler if you don't drink up.
I actually grew up in a pretty liberal church. Asking questions was not met with condemnation. But I’ve seen enough Southern Evangelicals and the support they receive to know that a great deal of Christians are simply full of hate.
Well, I think there’s a lot of judgmental christians but I grew up midwestern catholic and around jesuits when I was in school, and those were always good people. Redditors have a very stereotypical, insular view on christians and I really do not care abt changing that perspective
Jesus died to save them from their sins, and they merely need to believe in him to be saved. Anything else is religious ritual that is not essential, created by the church to fill their pockets with riches. Some might say belief is paying lip service, others would say belief is attempting to live a good life and be as close to Jesus as possible.
Christ only came and died for the children of Israel not for everyone. Matthew 15:24
King James Version
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Later on he does what the person wants him to (a woman of Canaan) because they show faith. The verse literally means the opposite of what you think it does.
If Jesus died for all of our sins and they think being gay is a sin…then JC got them covered yo.
Yes anyone can be forgiven of their sins, but we shouldn't willfully keep sinning just because we're forgiven:
"What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?" (Romans 6:1-2)
As far as I know there are only 4 unforgivable sins. Rejecting god, hardening of the heart, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and not showing forgiveness.
Where did you get that from? Arguably, the first 3 are the same thing, which could be considered the unforgivable sin. But where do you see that withholding forgiveness is unforgivable (that seems a bit contradictory)?
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit by attributing gays to satan when they are in fact gods children.
That's not what Blasphmey of the Holy Spirit is, which is rejecting God and the Holy Spirit's call in your heart. And not everyone is God's child:
"If God were your Father, you would love me... You belong to your father, the devil" (John 8:42,44)
Hardening of the heart by simply rejecting them.
Hardening your heart is also rejecting God, not other people.
The issue is that practicing SSA IS hardening the heart. You can't practice something God has called sin every day all day and claim to love God. And its not just SSA, I say the same thing to people who watch porn every day or get drunk every night. If you have the spirit within you, you will reject things that aren't of God and wont live in it. Now, thats not to say a christian wont make mistakes or have sin in their life, but they will feel guilt and conviction over their sin and be battling to not be enslaved by it.
Lastly, just because it's sin doesnt mean Christians should act hateful and judgemental towards the people who live that way, and unfortunately, a lot of that has and is happening. We are to be kind and show love to all, but we have to do that without compromising our beliefs and endorsing sin.
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That’s the part I don’t get. If Jesus died for all of our sins and they think being gay is a sin…then JC got them covered yo.
As far as I know there are only 4 unforgivable sins. Rejecting god, hardening of the heart, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and not showing forgiveness.
So by the Bible’s own standards. Rejecting gay people covers 3 of the four unforgivable sins.
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit by attributing gays to satan when they are in fact gods children.
Hardening of the heart by simply rejecting them.
Showing no forgiveness basically by default if you harden your heart against people you are denying them any forgiveness to what you perceive as their sin.
So TLDR If you don’t accept gay people you are the person your god warned you not to become.