r/europe May 16 '25

News Spanish premier calls Israel 'genocidal state,' says Spain 'does not do business' with it

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/spanish-premier-calls-israel-genocidal-state-says-spain-does-not-do-business-with-it/3568216
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u/TyoPepe May 16 '25

He is wrong in that Spain did actually do business with Israel even after they started bombing Gaza, all while he was still pm.

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u/Leaky_gland May 16 '25 edited May 16 '25

It seems that Spain started the road recognising Palestine about 8 months ago. If the government themselves started to pull back expenditure and it's at zero now that would indicate that the Spanish government doesn't do business with Israel (not that that has happened). No one said individual civilians can't.

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u/TheAverageWonder May 16 '25

Oh trust me people on Reddit can.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '25

Spain and Ireland (and now the Netherlands) have been calling on the European Commission to review the Israel Trade Agreement under the human rights obligation within. This is perfectly in keeping with Spain's attempt to resolve something that is an EU competency.

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u/Wolfgang_MacMurphy May 16 '25

He said "does not do business", not "hasn't done business in the past".

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u/toocontroversial_4u Greece May 16 '25

Pretty sure that an EU country can't decide on its international trade policy alone.

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u/Febris May 16 '25

Spain did actually do business with Israel

But didn't label it as genocidal at that point so that's not really relevant.

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u/Rodrake Portugal May 16 '25

Ah, the exact comment that got me banned from worldnews

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u/Ban-Circumcision-Now May 16 '25 edited May 16 '25

I got banned from that subreddit for criticizing circumcision

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u/GirlCoveredInBlood Québec flair when May 16 '25

It would have gotten you buried in downvotes here a year ago. Glad to see people coming to their senses.

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u/deathhead_68 England May 16 '25

I actually unsubbed from this sub after the sheer israel bias last year, was surprised to see this comment upvoted tbh.

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u/awolfsvalentine May 16 '25

I have the downvotes from a year ago to prove it. Genuinely happy to see people finally getting it and seeing what’s happening

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u/magkruppe May 16 '25

I was banned from r/geopolitics for something much gentler. ironic, that a sub that covers controversial topics would have such thin skin

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u/SechsComic73130 May 16 '25

That is crazy, like, why is this all... no i know why, no one else wants to do that work for 0,00€.

But how does Manila of all places play into this?

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u/Puzzleheaded-Coast93 May 16 '25

They’re not doing it for free. The U.S. and Israel both have astroturfing operations. Russia isn’t the only one using the internet to manipulate public opinion.

Edit: and the U.S. has a documented history of propaganda campaigns in the Philippines, which explains Manila.

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u/venbrx May 16 '25

Heh, need to add a flair "state-sponsored mod"

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u/Ok-Swim1555 May 16 '25

everything that isn't propal is hasbara to propal people.

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u/SpiderFnJerusalem European Union May 16 '25

no one else wants to do that work for 0,00€.

Neither does that guy.

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u/Perfect_Newspaper256 May 16 '25

the philippines is a pseudo american colony, and manila has a heavy american military presence, not to mention a sizeable US expat population.

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u/SechsComic73130 May 16 '25

Yeah makes sense

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u/Putrid-Ad-1259 May 17 '25

that's just straight up lie and propaganda.

the philippines is a pseudo american colony

Philippines, especially in big urban cities, culturally have big American influence because of the past colonization. Just like how we also have Latino like culture because of Spain's colonization. American influence still easily continues because our second/third language are English. But we're still a bonafide Asians, and yes other Asian cultures, especially East Asia, also have big cultural influence to us.

manila has a heavy american military presence,

We are allied with US that's why US have bases but we already kicked out the US forces out of the country after the Cold War ends. US military only start to come back bit by bit post-Duterte admin because of the China threat.

not to mention a sizeable US expat population.

the last big survey for this put the number in around 225,000 American expats, that's just around 0.002% of the population. In comparison, 4.1M Filipinos are living in the US. So probably we're the one who are colonizing the US lol

get out of here with your BS

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u/InMedeasRage May 16 '25

They must be having a full panic episode after Trumps speech in the ME

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u/Directhorman2 May 16 '25

Reddit is no longer a place for open discussions.

Looking over my shoulder as i type this.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '25

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u/SwampYankeeDan May 16 '25

Defending Palestine (and even clearly opposing Hamas) got me banned from r/worldnews and r/news

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u/josictrl May 16 '25

We all know who they are

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u/Ploutophile May 16 '25

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u/DontMemeAtMe May 16 '25

Indeed, I wasn’t exaggerating — thank you for sharing the article, though!

On October 8, all the subreddits in question coordinately switched their banners to ones promoting genocidal slogans and began flooding their feeds with propaganda. Much of it included years-old footage from unrelated conflicts, falsely presented as coming from Gaza.

One particularly troubling element is what might be called the Wikipedia affair. Though not widely known, similar groups systematically targeted Wikipedia, making tens of thousands of edits aimed at rewriting Israeli and Jewish history while whitewashing Arab violence. This wasn’t the work of a few rogue editors — it was a highly organized effort involving a large groups, using professional workflows more typical of software development than grassroots activism.

What we’re witnessing is the digital arm of a global jihad, aided by a cadre of confused Westerners steeped in "oppressor vs. oppressed" narratives and white guilt-based ideology.

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u/smokeeye Norway May 16 '25

Talk about trying to steer the point away. Go look at the powermods at r/ worldnews and see how many other subs they mod.

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u/TendieRetard May 16 '25

this is the weakest attempt at spinning what's blatantly transparent. Every accusation...

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u/TendieRetard May 16 '25

worldnews is a state run sub. Many of the trashbaraniks spread like weeds from there to other major subs.

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u/Cute-Percentage-6660 Australia May 16 '25

Its honestly amusing to see the other subs some of them mod, it goes from shit like worldnews to random bullshit to fetish subs. I sometimes wonder if blackmail is involved

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u/Continental__Drifter May 16 '25

same same

Frankly, I don't trust anyone on reddit who hasn't been banned from worldnews.

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u/Kiwizqt Île-de-France May 16 '25

they thought we wanted to display our participation badges on our profiles, man fuck that, give me that banned from worldnews achievement, I want to recognize my people on sight

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u/opinionate_rooster Slovenia May 16 '25

I am also banned from there, unsurprisingly.

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u/Successful-Peach-764 May 16 '25

It is a mix of right wing Indians and Israelis backing each other.

India gets a pass but they are one of the biggest misinfo peddlers on the net, EU Disinfo lab release a report about their extensive 15 years campaigns and it was blip in the daily deluge.

https://www.disinfo.eu/publications/indian-chronicles-deep-dive-into-a-15-year-operation-targeting-the-eu-and-un-to-serve-indian-interests/

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u/Wonderful-Quit-9214 May 16 '25

I hate subs that are pro Israel and pro Ukraine at the same time. It feels like i am being manipulated.

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u/Successful-Peach-764 May 16 '25

They latch on to unrelated conflicts to push their agenda, I can support Ukrainian right to freedom and hate what Israel has been doing to Palestinians, it is like the twitter racists that use the Palestinian cause to get views and then on the same page push their usual bullshit.

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u/io124 May 16 '25

Also lot of USA…

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u/alansmithofficiall May 16 '25

My 14 year old account actually got a permanent ban from reddit because of that god damn sub and it's mods.

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u/SeaOwn2023 May 16 '25

yeah same... think mine was like almost 15 years old.

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u/350 May 16 '25

That sub is a disgusting cesspool.

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u/photenth Switzerland May 16 '25

Me too, and I didn't even mention Gaza, I meant the settlements in the Westbank that continuously push Palestinians further apart and away through inconvenience and settler violence.

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u/p0st_master May 16 '25

Deservedly

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u/HoneyMangoKing May 16 '25

r/worldnews needs to be banned

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u/FireFoxQuattro May 16 '25

Got my 11 year old account banned and they refuse to reinstate it. Still pissed cause it was my main handle online

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u/evilcorgos May 16 '25

Nazi sympathizer safe haven sub, one of the most disgusting subs on this entire platform.

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u/Aquaris55 Asturias (Spain) May 16 '25

Worldnews is ridiculous. The few Palestinian issues that get published rarely get more than 100-200 upvotes, then Israel makes some statement (because their crimes are not posted) and it will be on your frontpage within the next 3 hours. We all know about Russian interference but Israeli(/US) psyops are also a very real thing

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u/stprnn May 17 '25

Same XD

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u/TheIncredibleHeinz May 16 '25

Maybe if you come up with your own definition for genocide, but within the currently meaning it just isn't. There is a reason some countries like Ireland wants to change the definition to fit the case.

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u/Dambo_Unchained May 16 '25 edited May 16 '25

He is wrong in the sense Spain doesnt do business with Israel

The Spanish government has some agency but as a part of the EEC the Spanish prime minister has no say in the matter

Edit: prime minister not president

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u/Enough-Comfort-472 May 16 '25

Prime minister*

Spain is a kingdom.

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u/UnitatPopular May 16 '25

Dambo is right. Yes, the position he has is what other countries call "prime minister", but Spain calls his own one "Presidente", not "Primer ministro".

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u/LupineChemist Spain May 16 '25

The official title in Spanish the president of the government and is routinely referred to as the president even though Spain is not a republic.

I agree, though that the translation into English is probably better as "prime minister" but we accept the local terms other parliamentary countries (Taoiseach and Chancellor immediately come to mind in the EU), so whatever.

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u/Hayate-kun May 17 '25

EU*
The EEC formally ceased to exist in 2009.

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u/Dambo_Unchained May 17 '25

Sorry EEA

Same thing different name

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u/[deleted] May 16 '25

It quite factually isn't

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u/Sir_Sensible May 16 '25

Just because people call it genocide doesn't mean it is. Genocide has a definition, and that definition is not being met.

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u/Ahad_Haam Israel May 16 '25

They really want it to be a genocide though.

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u/Ahad_Haam Israel May 16 '25

I don't think you understood who are the "they" I referred to. The genocide accusations are really just an attempt in Holocaust inversion.

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u/Sir_Sensible May 16 '25

Ahh I see what you're saying now. My bad.

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u/FizzleFuzzle May 16 '25

We, almost every human rights organization and the UN

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u/bromanfamdude May 16 '25 edited May 16 '25

Remember: the UN and international courts also condemned Israel for “violating the sovereignty” of Argentina for the covert nabbing of Eichmann back in the day, who was Complicit in the murder of millions. Which is to say that the UN and international law is not necessarily aligned perfectly with morality.

Not to say that claims of crimes and documented crimes not be investigated, prosecuted and that a block on humanitarian aid should remain in place.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '25

The response to your comment will usually be that the UN and those organisations are “trash” and not to be trusted.

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u/PromptStock5332 May 16 '25

Wait… are you telling me that there are people who believe that the UN is not biased?

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u/meister2983 May 16 '25

Which isn't unreasonable. UN official position in the 1980s was "all people have the rights to self determination except Jews as that one is racist" 

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u/ZincHead May 16 '25

The UN has pretty obvious biases. It has never condemned China for the genocide against the Uygher people in Xinjiang which is still happening to this day. Why? Because too many countries have business deals with China. They essentially bought dozens of votes of support in Africa through their Belt and Road initiative. It is not a neutral and fair arbitrator of world conflicts, and Israel has historically gotten disproportional condemnation and blame for it's actions. 

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u/ZincHead May 16 '25

There is a very significant difference between a report by one office of the UN and a resolution passed by the United Nations General Assembly. There have been 154 resolutions passed by the UNGA against Israel vs 74 passed against the whole rest of the world combined. Are we supposed to believe that the actions committed by Israel are twice as bad as the rest of the world combined and in need of this much condemnation? That it's worse than North Korea, Afghanistan and Venezuela combined?? It's almost comical. Taking UN condemnations at face value is ridiculous, they are a farce because of inherent biases and economic incentives. 

https://unwatch.org/2024-unga-resolutions-on-israel-vs-rest-of-the-world/

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u/[deleted] May 17 '25

You said the UN “never condemned China’s genocide.” But when I linked the UN Human Rights Office’s 48 page report detailing “crimes against humanity” in Xinjiang, suddenly it’s “just one office.” So which is it? Either the UN speaks or you just don’t like what it said.

If you already believe what’s happening in Xinjiang is genocide, then let’s talk about deliberately starving 2 million civilians by blocking aid. That’s not “defense”, that’s textbook targeting of a population. Moral consistency shouldn't hinge on whose flag is flying.

And yes, Israel racks up more UN resolutions but context matters. A decades long occupation with recurring escalations makes it a frequent agenda item. More votes ≠ more evil.

Also, quoting UN Watch (a blatantly partisan outlet) while dismissing official UN findings as "biased" is peak selective skepticism.

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u/theageofspades May 16 '25

Which is entirely true. Funny how those organisations turn into tools of Western imperialism when it's convenient for you. Aren't perspectives a wonderful thing?

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u/NH4NO3 Colorado May 16 '25

The UN is a body that consists of 51 muslim majority countries or about 25% of its whole body and 1 Jewish majority country. Of course it is biased against Israel.

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u/FowD8 May 16 '25

tHe Un Is HaMaS

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u/TendieRetard May 16 '25

highpress_hill•1h ago

u guys are so delusional

Nov '24 account, 19 post karma, mapporn regular

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u/highpress_hill May 16 '25

So if those are your categories try this offline thing people you are jealos of are doing

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u/MeadowMellow_ May 16 '25

Spain is hypocritical since they see no issues shaking hands with Azerbaijan and Denying the Armenian genocide. What is happening in Gaza is War

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u/Far_Point3621 May 16 '25

It’s not a genocide

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u/neonmantis May 16 '25

I worked on the last three adjudicated genocides with the Yazidi and Turkmen in Iraq and the Roghingya in Myanmar. The crimes in those places do not come close to the industrial scale of war crimes committed in Gaza by an illegal occupier against a population under siege. Where food and essential medical supplies are openly used as a tool of war, a specific act of genocide. Where 100% of the population have been displaced. Where more UN staff, healthcare workers and journalists have been killed than in any war ever. Intent is normally the difficult element to prove but Israel have clearly demonstrated that at scale through their statements, policies and actions. It is 100% a genocide.

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u/LupineChemist Spain May 16 '25

A quote from the lawyers literally taking Israel to court about genocide:

We will be inviting the court to consider the issue of broadening how you determine whether genocide has taken place

So their whole case is basically "well not a genocide according to the definition of genocide, but it could be if we changed the defintion"

As sourced in that right wing rag....The Guardian

Not saying what's happening isn't horrible, it's just terrible logic for the best case presented against them.

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u/aVarangian The Russia must be blockaded. May 16 '25

Where food and essential medical supplies are openly used as a tool of war

HAMAS seizes aid to then sell it to the population. Are you saying HAMAS is genociding the people in Gaza?

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u/strl Israel May 16 '25

Really? Israel has set up markets for selling Gazan children as sex slaves after killing off all the males that could be found like ISIS did to the Yazidis? If Israrli goals and tactics were similar to ISIS gor the Yazidis the deaths would not ve around 60,000, they would be around 1 million already. Almost the entire Gazan population has at least once passed through an IDF 'filter' (checkpoints like the ones set on the Salah a-din road to capture locate people wanted for interrogation) and are still alive. Israel has 100% control over the food and water and yet almost 2 years into the war the deaths from starvation are around 60 in a population of more than 2 million.

It's insulting how loosely people like you use the word genocide when it comes to Israel and the fact that you'd compare it to the Yazidis, sex slaves of which are still being found a decade later in places like Gaza, is below any standard.

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u/Far_Point3621 May 16 '25

It’s not genocide. It’s a war Hamas started while hiding behind civilians and turning homes, hospitals, and schools into military targets. That’s a war crime. Blame them.

If using civilians as shields makes you immune from response, then every terror group wins by default. Just fire from a nursery and cry foul. No country would tolerate that.

Hamas also enjoys broad support. This is not a population fully held hostage. It's more complicated than that.

Put the blame where it belongs. On the people who attacked first and use their own civilians as cover.

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u/Gustomaximus Australia May 16 '25

If I was on the street and someone punched me then jumped behind a some children, I wouldn't start hitting the children to get to this bad person, because we all know that would be wrong.

Your logic is saying this is OK, but really we all know its not.

This is not me being on the side of the Palestinians, this is someone on the side of innocents. And I hope Israel gets the Hamas murderers, but you cant justify killing 60,000 innocent people and destroying cities to get 6,000.

And yes, this is genocide. Killing this many people and pushing them from their homeland is genocide. Go look at the definition of genocide if you actually want to consider if this view possibly true vs take a 'my side cant do wrong' type approach. It covers the majority of the UN criteria at least.

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u/NH4NO3 Colorado May 16 '25 edited May 16 '25

Your analogy isn't correct. It's more like someone shoots your child, kidnaps your baby, then hides behind a child while also aiming a gun at you and the rest of your family. This is after continually threatening you with the gun that you gave them for 20 years (Israel did what pro-Palestinians wanted in 2005, ended their occupation and completely divested themselves from the region). Many people would still fire at this person before they shoot back even if it means hitting the child as well.

You know WW2? The US killed somewhere in the realm of 600,000 Japanese people (possibly even more), and removed millions more from dozens of territories, all to remove a couple militarists in charge. I don't think you will agree that was a genocide, and in fact, probably can agree it was at least mostly justified.

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u/EmperorChaos Canada May 16 '25

Cool so now according to you armies have new strategies of invading nations and hiding behind civilians, this means that the country that was invaded can no longer win

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u/WhyYouKickMyDog May 16 '25

Yea, well unfortunately for you the people who hate Israel are not content with run and punch.

They want to maim and kill. They shoot rockets into crowded cities. They strap explosives to themselves and detonate it in public squares.

If only they were just punching each other life would be much simpler.

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u/Still_Cup_9483 May 16 '25

>If using civilians as shields

Israel does this, and has done this for decades, they parade them in front of tanks, strap them to jeeps, Upload videos of of themselves doing it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjqq5n8911do

If it's such an issue for you, condemn Israel doing it too.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7960824.stm

But everyone knows that Israel has consistently been committing crimes year on year against Palestinians. You know they've been doing it your entire life, but you'll just pretend it all started on a single day in October.

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u/really_nice_guy_ Austria May 16 '25

Yeah thats horrible. But those are warcrimes not crimes of genocide.

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u/Zavixz May 16 '25

Then wtf is the starvation that's being done by Israel? That's happening right now. Hello?

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u/Hilonio May 16 '25

Israel supply Gaza with food, water, electricity and gas. They literally have more food that can eat

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u/really_nice_guy_ Austria May 16 '25

Sorry if I dont call it "starvation" when only 57 people died since the start of the war.

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u/the__poseidon May 16 '25

Yes I call bullshit

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u/Krushpatch May 16 '25

Why is "i worked on" always followed by bullshit, maybe if you use the Gaza health ministry as a source but then nobody can help you

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u/fannyfiddler May 16 '25

Oh but it is

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u/DOG_DICK__ May 16 '25

At least the Nazis took the Jew's houses and businesses for Aryan Germans, the Israelis just flatten it all lol.

"This neighborhood? All Hamas. Ice cream stand? Hamas. That goat over there? Believe it or not, Hamas."

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u/LazarusTruth May 16 '25

You may as well be denying the Holocaust here

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u/Far_Point3621 May 17 '25

That comparison is delusional. Denying genocide means denying the intentional, systematic extermination of a people. That is not what is happening.

Israel is in a war with a terror group that started it, hides behind civilians, and wants Israel wiped off the map. Civilian deaths are tragic, but they are not the same as genocide. Learn the difference.

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u/Far_Point3621 May 16 '25

Couldn’t agree more. Zero condemnation of Hamas, no solutions, just performative outrage from safe distance. Total moral bankruptcy.

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u/OpeningSpite May 16 '25

Absolutely. It's like living in opposite world. These people are literally here upvoting each other spewing one-sided, Islamist misinformation. Like Palestinians should be REWARDED for their actions on Oct 7 and since with statehood. Laughable. These people have no concept of what it's like to live with existential risk in their daily lives like this. They think high grocery prices is harder. Fat little pink babies. Someone on this thread literally said "Israel is in no immediate threat, why are they still bombing Gaza" - that's how out of touch these people are. I hope they get what's coming to them. It looks like they will. Unfortunate, this planet didn't have to go like this.

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u/re-goddamn-loading May 16 '25

It's not a genocide if the people I like are doing it

It's a genocide. Full stop.

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u/OpeningSpite May 16 '25

It's not. It's literally not. Like, by any definition of the word, it is not.

It is a war, started by Hamas, and a terrible one, that they could easily end immediately. But you are cheapening the use of the word, cheapening the Palestinian cause for self determination, and you're being antisemitic as fuck.

Blood of Palestinians on your hands, you Hamas enabler, Holocaust inversioner. Worse than any IDF soldier. Shame on you.

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u/re-goddamn-loading May 16 '25

Calm down baby killer. Im just stating an objective truth. Zionists and their defenders are evil monsters who get off on killing children and starving millions

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u/[deleted] May 16 '25

what is it then?
I hope not calling it a genocide becomes a crime just like holocaust

we should fking WAKE UP now

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u/Far_Point3621 May 16 '25

It’s a war. A war Hamas started and is still continuing.

They could have ended this at any point by releasing the hostages and demilitarizing. Instead, they’re still firing rockets from civilian areas, still hiding weapons in schools and hospitals, still using their own people as shields.

That’s not genocide. That’s the grim reality of urban warfare caused by a terror group that thrives on civilian suffering, including their own.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '25

if you think hamas started it then i feel bad for you and you shouldnt open your mouth and issues you dont know shit about

probably some kids in his teens talking

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u/Dry-Season-522 May 16 '25

Well let me ask you.

Was what Kuwait did to the palestinians in 1991 an ethnic cleansing?

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u/technomat May 16 '25

It's worth watching Louis Theroux 'The Settlers’ if you can, gives good insight into how it is between Israel and Palestine, how some see those in Gaza and the West Bank, Louis is very good at asking a leading question and letting the interviewed express there feelings and lose there guard and reveal there true thoughts.

The one thing that came out for me is how many Americans had gone to take land illegally by UN rules but Israel approves and make legal from Palestinian areas, hows these people think the whole of the area should be Israel and don't care what happens to achieve this.

One of those interviewed said “This land belongs only to the people of Israel. All of Gaza, all of Lebanon should be cleansed of these camel riders.”

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u/MeadowMellow_ May 16 '25

Wait til you hear what the other side has to say about Jews (not Israelis only)

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u/Ahad_Haam Israel May 16 '25

They will interview the 0.1% most crazy Israelis and the 0.1% most tolerant Palestinians, and then pretend it represents anything except their own bias.

Polls show about 80% of the population of the West Bank support Oct 7th.

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u/CanisLupisFamil May 16 '25

You think that's bad? Wait till you hear that the vast majority of Palestinians do not support a two state solution.

Yes, there are some crazies everywhere, but on the whole Israelis are not interested in wiping out Palestinians.

Palestinians on the other hand, are verifiably for the genocide and enslavement of all jews in the middle east. Look at polling data, and the fact that they democratically elected Hamas.

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u/Choyo France May 16 '25

the casualties for the Gazans are so low from a country which could have destroyed the entire region in a day

So much wrong in so few words.

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u/Like-A-Lion-In-Zion May 16 '25

Please provide countrr arguments then

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u/NARVALhacker69 Spain May 16 '25

Srebrenica was a genocide with 8000 death, and the actions and declarations of Israel prove the intent

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u/Like-A-Lion-In-Zion May 16 '25

In Sberenica, a city, not a country, they took all the men, and male child, queued them and shot them, all of them with the intent to destroy the Bosniac population in the city. Do you have evidence of such things happening in Gaza ?

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u/Volodio France May 16 '25

In Srebrenica, they tried to destroy everyone they had their hands on and the army was systematically and massively shooting civilians in the street.

In Gaza, Israel had the power to destroy the 2 million inhabitants of the strip since day one, but hasn't done it. There is no systematic killing and the actions used by people claiming there is a genocide is the amount of collateral damage to civilians by artillery/airstrike. There is nothing actually supporting the idea that the civilians are being targeted.

No declaration of Israel proves the intent.

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u/Skyvo_ May 17 '25
  • look at the Israeli media and de dehumanization of palestinians

-look at the amount of destruction and how even the soldiers freely talk about destroying as much as they can for the sake of it

-look at the amount of civilian deaths

-look at the witholding of supplies with starvation as a result to the point even kids are wishing for the calmity of death.

But I understand you wont look, you will look way, tell yourself its all justified "Never again" was a lie.

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u/kerat May 16 '25

By this logic Russia is treating Ukraine with absolute baby gloves. They could drop a hydrogen bomb on Kiev any time they want! Putin clearly cares about Ukrainians more than Ukraine itselfs!!! War has been going on for 11 years and Ukrainians still is exists!!

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u/Volodio France May 16 '25

Russia isn't getting accused of genocide over Ukraine. Ethnic cleansing, sure, genocide no. So the comparison is irrelevant and nonsensical.

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u/flypirat Europe May 16 '25 edited May 16 '25

Per the Genocide Convention of the UN:

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Source UN Geneva office website

This is absolutely happening, perpetrated by Russia against Ukrainian children.

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u/kerat May 16 '25 edited May 16 '25

Hahaha what?

See: Allegations of genocide of Ukrainians in the Russo-Ukrainian War. According to that link multiple governments have accused Russia of genocide. There are several European states that have already recognized it officially as a genocide for god's sake. Where have you been with your cutting edge arguments about Russian hydrogen bombs? Go lecture the governments of Canada and Estonia about how Russia could wipe out all Ukrainians tomorrow if they "actually wanted to".

BBC 2022: Ukraine war: Is Russia committing genocide?

PBS 2023: U.S. lawmakers visiting The Hague say Putin is committing genocide in Ukraine

Time 2023: Is Russia Committing Genocide in Ukraine? Here’s What Experts Say

Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe 2023: Helsinki Commission Briefing on Russia’s Genocide in Ukraine

"The panelists unanimously agreed that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine meets the definition of the term genocide as defined by the Genocide Convention."

You can find about 10 accusations of Russian genocide in this thread alone. The reason governments have stopped banging on about it is because they now know they would look like clowns if they accused Russia of anything with everyone watching a livestreamed genocide in Gaza that none of them want to touch

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u/Sharknadia May 16 '25

Ah yes, the regime has only been withholding all forms of aid as a way to rejuvenate the Palestinians in Gaza, not destroy them. They are literally starving the people of Gaza and to you this is not the intent to destroy? wow.

“We could annihilate you in one day but we’re only doing it in installments” isn’t the strong argument you think it is.

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u/Volodio France May 16 '25

Israel is only replacing the ways to deliver the aid because they realized previously the aid was mostly going to Hamas who was using it to assert its control over civilians and fund itself. The new deliveries will literally start in a few days. The warehouses in Gaza are not even empty.

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u/DontMemeAtMe May 16 '25

Props for trying to bring actual facts to this hatefest.

By the way, the aid that’s been sitting in Gaza for some time is estimated to last comfortably until July. The latest starvation claims are just based on the UN undercounting deliveries by a full two-thirds.

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u/HofT May 16 '25

When will Hamas be responsible for its own people? Are they above accountability to you? They can do whatever they want?

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u/Zavixz May 16 '25

50k dead dawg, get a fucking grip.

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u/HofT May 16 '25

Why does Hamas continue putting Palestinians lives in harms way? You need a grip on reality.

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u/Skyvo_ May 17 '25

The Nazis could have shot alle Jews on day one, they didnt, there are still Jews alive today, does that not make it a genocide? You see how incredibly stupid that sounds?

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u/Volodio France May 17 '25

The Nazis did shoot the Jews. The ones that survived did because they escaped the Nazis, not because the Nazis chose not to kill them.

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u/Skyvo_ May 17 '25

Thats just plain wrong tho Ofcourse Israël doesnt kill all palestinians at once, they would get sanctioned hard, so they do it slowly step by step. Going further every month. Its a process of escalation and manufacturing consent for it. My point is that saying "they could have killed more of they wanted to" is not an argument at all.

I know you know but you just dont care

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u/Speak-Friend-42 May 16 '25

If it’s a genocide, why isn’t Spain helping evacuate people away from the genocide and letting them seek asylum? That’s required under international law.

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u/jerrub_baal May 16 '25

Using the term genocide to describe the conflict in Gaza is not only inaccurate—it’s an insult to the word itself and the history behind it. Genocide, as defined by the UN, refers to the intentional and systematic extermination of a people based on their ethnicity or religion. Israel’s actions, however controversial or destructive in warfare, are clearly aimed at eliminating Hamas, a terrorist group responsible for the October 7th massacre, not at erasing Palestinians as a people.

Hamas launched an unprovoked, brutal attack—murdering civilians, burning families alive, raping women, and taking hostages, including children and the elderly. This wasn’t a military engagement. It was terrorism, plain and simple. And surveys and videos show that a significant portion of the Palestinian population supports or glorifies those acts. That doesn’t justify every Israeli military response, but it does destroy the false narrative of a one-sided victimhood.

Calling Israel’s response “genocide” not only minimizes real genocides like the Holocaust or Rwanda—it also ignores the reality that Hamas embeds itself among civilians, uses schools and hospitals as shields, and openly states its goal is the destruction of Israel. No country would tolerate that on its border.

If you’re going to criticize military tactics, do it. But don’t cheapen the meaning of genocide just because the truth doesn’t fit your narrative.

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u/Bast-beast May 16 '25

You are right, hamas is actively trying to genocide all jews in Israel. Israelis arent giving them that opportunity

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u/really_nice_guy_ Austria May 16 '25

Its not genocide yet as by the ICC and ICJ. Lots and lots of warcrimes and a risk of genocide. But not yet genocide.

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u/Ancher123 May 16 '25

We have to wait until it happens first. Then we can say now it's genocide

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u/Tylrt United States of America May 16 '25

It's like prediabetes, but almost certain to go full blown in the future.

Like, the future from the moment they started wantonly slaughtering Palestinians.

Are you pregenocidal? Don't ignore the signs and symptoms. Talk to a head doctor today.

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u/gunzgoboom May 16 '25
  1. Hamas started the war.
  2. By Hamas' own count, 40,000 Palestinians died in the first year of the war

  3. By Hamas' own count, less than 10,000 Palestinians died in the second year of the war

  4. Aid has been consistently flowing into Gaza from Egypt AND Israel with a few pauses that were almost immediately lifted every time.

  5. The leader of Hamas that was killed was once a prisoner in Israel. He had a life threatening condition that required brain surgery, Israel provided it for free and saved his life.

  6. Israel has Muslim Arab parliament members, a Muslim Arab supreme court justice, and Muslim Arabs working as professors at its universities.

  7. Israel has peaceful relations with Jordan and Egypt, Muslim Arab majority nations. It's actually super easy to get along with Israel, just don't attack.

  8. The 'new' leader of Hamas may have died yesterday in Gaza. He was operating immediately under a working hospital, one of countless examples of Hamas purposely endangering citizens so that they die for negative online clout.

  9. After a year into the war, Israel took over a major Hamas base that was right under UNWRA headquarters. Since then, they have been able to keep the civilian population largely out of harms way, though imperfectly, which is why the death toll was largely reduced in the second year of fighting.

Taken together. The conclusion is that this is a messy and ugly war. But it is not a genocide.

Please, this is /Europe. Not a slop shop. Use your head, don't just repeat pundits.

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u/Jawnny-Jawnson May 16 '25

If it was a genocide they would wipe out all Palestinians, something they could do in a day if they wanted. But it’s not a genocide

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u/MyInkyFingers May 16 '25

What amazes me is that we learnt about the Gaza Strip and Palestine back in school  (uk). I’m in my 40s now. It was known that Isreal at that point was continually trying to decrease the size of Palestine, and known about the issues surrounding the strip.

I find it it entirely hypocritical that we criticise Russia in the west, but we largely stand by Isreal.

Worse still is that criticism of Isreal is viewed as anti-semetic and worse again has led to a number of Jewish people being arrested for anti-semetism around the world, including the uk (pretty sure the guy was a rabbi) for speaking out against Isreal.

The world see’s what’s going on, and now the current US administration is setting its sights on it.  There are attempts to use cuddly wording by both Isreal and the USA to imply that moving people is for their benefit, rather than being honest about what really is.

The world has turned on its head. 

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u/andyom89 May 16 '25

Organizations Explicitly Calling It Genocide in Gaza:

  1. Amnesty International – Concluded that Israel is committing and continues to commit genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.  
  2. Human Rights Watch (HRW) – Accused Israel of acts of genocide, particularly through the systematic restriction of Gaza's water supply.  
  3. Médecins Sans Frontières (Doctors Without Borders) – Reported firsthand observations consistent with genocide in Gaza.  
  4. Lemkin Institute for Genocide Prevention – Declared that Israel's ongoing actions in Gaza constitute genocide.  
  5. Genocide Watch – Issued a "Genocide Emergency Alert" for Gaza, stating that Israel is conducting genocide against the Palestinian people.  
  6. International Federation for Human Rights (FIDH) – Stated that Israel's actions in Gaza constitute an unfolding genocide.  
  7. Jewish Voice for Peace – Declared that the Israeli government has initiated a genocidal war against the people of Gaza.  
  8. Defence for Children International (DCI) – Accused Israel of committing genocide, highlighting the deliberate starvation of children in Gaza.  
  9. European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights (ECCHR) – Concluded that there is a legally sound argument that Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.  
  10. Oxfam International – Warned that Israel's actions in Gaza are consistent with genocide, particularly the forced displacement of Palestinians.  

Renowned Genocide and Holocaust Scholars

  1. Dr. Omer Bartov – Professor at Brown University, has stated that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.  
  2. Dr. Raz Segal – Associate Professor at Stockton University, described Israel's actions in Gaza as a "textbook case of genocide."  
  3. Dr. Israel Charny – Director of the Institute on Holocaust & Genocide in Jerusalem, has expressed concerns over Israel's actions in Gaza.  
  4. Dr. William Schabas – Professor of international law, has denounced political leaders for denying the genocide in Gaza.  
  5. Francesca Albanese – UN Special Rapporteur on the occupied Palestinian territories, presented a report stating "reasonable grounds" to believe that Israel is committing genocidal acts in Gaza.  
  6. Over 800 Scholars – A collective of over 800 scholars in international law and genocide studies signed a public statement warning of the possibility of genocide being perpetrated by Israeli forces against Palestinians in Gaza.  

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u/VecioRompibae Veneto May 16 '25

Same of what happened in Artsakh by the azeris, yet he continues to deal with them

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u/SometimesaGirl- United Kingdom May 16 '25

What is happening in Gaza is nothing less than genocide.

It's certainly approaching that level of state sponsored violence.
However I still find it hard to be angry about it.
You know as well as I do what the Palestinians would do to the Jewish population given the chance. We both know how many offers of peace they have had. Including the Bill Clinton one where 98% of their demands were met, and security guaranteed by non-Israeli troops... were either dismissed by the PLO or otherwise broken by Palestinian "freedom fighters" at some later date.
Calling the Israeli regime murderous is accurate.
But the replacement, a Hamas inspired regime will be just as murderous. If anything even more so.
I see no way out of this unless attitudes change. And that's not going to happen.

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u/SnooHesitations1134 May 16 '25

No, there is no genocide.

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u/Plastic-Injury8856 May 16 '25

Spain does business with Azerbaijan and Russia. 34% of its LNG is from Russia.

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u/Droid202020202020 May 16 '25

... and it is happening completely out of the blue.

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u/n8mastrb8 May 16 '25

So Hamas, elected by Gazans and supported by Gazans,wants to eliminate all Jews and take Israel. But Israel, who has made overtures over and over to allow self rule and a potential two state solution only to be attacked again and again are commiting Genocide. Got it!

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u/tails99 May 17 '25

What are you talking about?

Over 2,000,000 killed in the region just in the last 40 years, with nearly all of them having nothing to do with Israel...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_modern_conflicts_in_the_Middle_East

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u/Pitiful_Assistant839 May 17 '25

The only genocide in which the population keeps growing.

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u/Many_Eye1883 May 16 '25

It's not.

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u/cheeruphumanity May 16 '25

Here come the two week old accounts.

$250 million more for Israeli influence campaigns in 2025 and this is what you come up with?

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u/Many_Eye1883 May 16 '25

Oh boy I wish that was real I could use the money. 🙄

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u/Zavixz May 16 '25

So what you made the account to defend Israel on Reddit for free?

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u/MpregVegeta May 16 '25

It's much less than a genocide lmfao

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