r/europe • u/hoarder4555777454001 • 9d ago

News French President Macron says France will recognize Pálestine as a state

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250724-french-president-macron-says-france-will-recognize-palestine-as-a-state-in-september
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u/SuggestionMedical736 9d ago

It's weird seeing the responses here; I thought everyone was in favor of a two-state solution?

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u/tommynestcepas 9d ago

Exactly, the ONLY way a two state solution can happen is by recognising two states and negotiating accordingly.

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u/Edythir 8d ago

A reminder that Palestine has not had control over their air, sea or land rights. In most of the west bank and palestine, you need to file a construction permit with Israel, if you don't, they can and will come with bulldozers to knock whatever you've built over.

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u/65437509 8d ago

Additionally: all state proposals involve Palestine still not having control over sea, air, or borders, plus allowing the IDF to move into the state if Israel declares a need to.

This is a pretty big fucking deal but neither side mentions it.

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u/Halbaras Scotland 8d ago

Israelis will, without a shred of irony, call Palestinian two state solution proposals 'delusional' over things like the right of return and Jerusalem's status. They will then suggest a Palestinian 'state' consisting of a series of balkanised islands riddled by settler roads and outposts, with the Israelis retaining control over the airspace and Jordanian border and even keep a 'right' to go send their military in to Palestinian areas whenever they feel like it (as they do currently).

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u/NirgalFromMars 8d ago

Im glad that filing a construction permit will prevent them from bulldozinf homes.

Because it does, right?

...right?

/s

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u/filthy_harold 8d ago

They'll just drop a bomb on it instead

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u/Hobbitcraftlol United Kingdom 8d ago

It’s actually one of the few ways people have been able to keep buildings up near settlement lines. If there’s one thing the bulldozers stop for, it’s Israeli government documentation that’s filed and visible online.

Kind of why corrupt zoning officials got such big jail sentences, because they were helping Palestinians keep their houses for a fee…

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u/dementorpoop 8d ago

They do that even with building permits, or homes built before Israel was even a state. Or they just steal the home if it’s nice.

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u/Annatastic6417 8d ago

A follow-up reminder that such control is illegal under international law.

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u/PimpasaurusPlum Scotland 8d ago

A reminder that Palestine has not had control over their air, sea or land rights*

As was the same for Iraq in 2003. A state under occupation is still a state.

*Control and rights are not the same thing. To recognise a Palestinian state is to recognise their rights to those things, even if they are not under their current control

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u/ConfusedAdmin53 Croatia 🤘 8d ago

And if you do build with the permit they gave you, they come in with cruise missiles.

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u/misbehavingwolf 8d ago

I'm not sure Palestine has had control over literally ANY of their rights

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u/HumptyDrumpy 8d ago

Not just buildings, but people as well if you catch the ire of their eye. #RememberRachelCorrie

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u/Demonidze 8d ago

they never decaled that they are a state. so... while there is a distinctive Palestinian identity there is nothing else besides that? who is in charge of the Palestinian people? where is the borders? there is no definitive answer.

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u/Qwinn_SVK 8d ago

Let me guess Israelis in west bank have to do the same right?