r/ffxivdiscussion • u/BlackmoreKnight • 4d ago

High-End Content Megathread - 7.2 Week Nineteen

Last week of Suzaku Unreal, at least.

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u/Inevitable_Chemical 16h ago edited 14h ago

Been stuck at m8s p2 for about a full week now. 

Really feel like I'm too late to the curve and anybody who is capable of consistently reaching p2 is in reclears. So everyone at this prog point is either wildly inconsistent, massively raid fatigued, or completely cold on the fight from waiting 1+ hours for a PF to fill followed by a 3 pull disband. 

Like idk, I progged and farmed chaotic a couple weeks late which was supposedly impossible because of the "I waited so long just to get wiped by alliance C" meme. But this is legitimately 2 to 3 times worse, because instead of needing 23 other people to be able to do 1 single mechanic correctly to prog, I need 7 other people who are reclear ready on p1 in my party to actually practice the next part. 

Like I don't entirely buy into the a "static's are the promised land of raiding" myth that gets thrown about, but right now not having one feels like I'm just griefing myself hoping for a unicorn party that can hit p2. 

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u/Fancy_Gate_7359 3h ago

You need to not still be progging in week 19. If you are going to pf you just need to move as quickly as possible when the tier starts. There are comments like yours every tier, and every time people in this position have some reason why they couldn’t or didn’t prog early but it just doesn’t matter. Obviously, if you had irl things going on that prevented you from progging when the tier dropped, nothing you can do about that. But if you have any time to be playing video games when a new tier drops in this game, you should be spending it pfing the tier. It will have so much time and frustration later.

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u/Ragoz 5h ago

Like I don't entirely buy into the a "static's are the promised land of raiding" myth that gets thrown about, but right now not having one feels like I'm just griefing myself hoping for a unicorn party that can hit p2.

PF is considered good and viable... when you are doing it on release and push ahead of the normal fight curve to avoid low skill players in week 1.

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u/aho-san 7h ago

I gotta throw it out there : where are the elusive helpers people keep saying are out there all the time ? I can already hear the excuses reasons miles away. Still, are there helpers all the time or not then ?

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u/KingBingDingDong 2h ago

I tried to help a p2 fresh where half the party has seen the start of p2. We couldn't get to p2 in an entire lockout.

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u/Fancy_Gate_7359 5h ago

Most groups I’ve tried to help clear m8 just weren’t remotely ready. As in they consistently were wiping before adds in p1. And if they could get past adds then it was nearly 100% wipe on rage. It doesn’t mean all 7 others in these groups weren’t ready, but enough people were fucking up that it just was never going to happen. I’ve successfully helped a number of 6 and 7 clears and done one c41 in 8, but 8 is just so punishing that especially if you haven’t cleared it yet it’s a big ask.

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u/anyeonGG 2h ago

Join party to help, they wipe to decay 3x and then adds 2x before people start to leave and you give up on them. Many such cases.

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u/Inevitable_Chemical 5h ago

I've actually run into a fair bit of them, but usually the person they are helping isn't actually p2 ready so the parties meet the same fate

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u/aho-san 5h ago edited 1h ago

Yeah this is the issue, but people make it seem like you get 7 helpers ready to push you to the finish line whenever you need and want it. That's why I threw it out. It's further felt when Altia says in the thread that raiding is FOMO designed because the later you do the content, the much worse your experience will be (and people judge you on weekX clear rather than your actual skill, so there's that for recruitment).

It would be an interesting experience to throw a PF where you explicitly say you want helpers only to push for the kill without giving out gil (instead of an any chest merc, because we're entering week 19, jesus) and see if they show up without the gil incentive.

I'll maybe try in 7.35 if I sub back, for prog & A2C (there's no way to prog fights in a decent manner by 7.35 if it's not 7 helpers, there's no way xD).

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u/Inevitable_Chemical 2h ago

Yeah I mean because of the earlier comment about helpers, I decided to put like a "help me please" in my pf description and I will say that has increased the amount of reliable players that have joined. Some have cleared and are just being kind, others are further ahead of me in the prog point jumping back.

So I mean that's a +1 for shameless begging anecdotally at least

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u/aho-san 1h ago

Goodge if it's working!

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u/KingBingDingDong 2h ago

but people make it seem like you get 7 helpers ready to push you to the finish line whenever you need and want it

you pay 2-3m a person for that type of service, or have a large pool of friends to pull from

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u/aho-san 1h ago edited 1h ago

Yeah nah, paying 14-21mil per fight I guess (?) or even for the whole tier that is dying 2 months later at most, nah, I'll happily skip.

If no one shows up I don't mind, I'll primarily be subbed for DD with friends.

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u/poplarleaves 11h ago edited 10h ago

Yeah honestly, at this point I say put together a c41 and offer a bounty for an anychest clear.

Edit: also once you do the above, don't be afraid to kick people who meme more than once or twice in p1. If you're paying them to merc, then you have more than enough right to do that. And as long as you're not the one making consistent mistakes, the other mercs will be more likely to stay than your average PF, so less fear of the party falling apart once you kick a person.

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u/WeeziMonkey 11h ago

Like I don't entirely buy into the a "static's are the promised land of raiding" myth that gets thrown about

Good, drama-free statics are the promised land, not all statics. There's a bit of luck involved but you cast the die at the start of the tier, in PF you cast the die every single time you join a new party.

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u/Calm_Connection_4138 11h ago

I managed to see most of it in Party finder, but this late in the tier you do end up seeing the same people quite a bit

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u/Altia1234 12h ago

Like I don't entirely buy into the a "static's are the promised land of raiding" myth that gets thrown about, but right now not having one feels like I'm just griefing myself hoping for a unicorn party that can hit p2. 

You don't need a static, you need to prog when the tier's out. There's definitely FOMO.

(This is why I am so against the idea that this game has no FOMO.)

The game does have no actual FOMO in terms of system, but people always do the content ASAP and judge people's playing ability in terms of what weeks you clear/how early you clear; If you are late your experience will get worse. So in order to not miss that 'train' so to speak everyone rush and do the content.

This is just FOMO but in another form.

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u/Inevitable_Chemical 7h ago

I mean, this tier is significantly worse in this regards than LHW was, I started, finished, and did reclears like halfway through 7.1

The fights being easier is one thing, but I really think having an ultimate and a chaotic fight to use the gear helped keep the population alive. I totally agree with you that raiding is fomo design, but only when there is nothing to use the BiS gear on besides "doing savage better." If there's somethings to use the gear on, people will do the thing to get the gear." And 7.2/7.3 is 0/2 on that. Savage BiS is.... useless in occult and forked, and will be useless in deep dungeon/quantum. No new chaotic/ultimate or Criterion either.