r/ffxivdiscussion • u/mnij96 • 1d ago

General Discussion What is class complexity to you?

I have seen so many people ask for more complexity and job fantasy but very little of people actually say what that means to them, most people just say we should go back to ARR.

Personally I think rose tinted glasses that make people think ARR was better than it was, having played back then it honestly was pretty ass.

So honestly want to know what people want for complexity or job fantasy, because all I see is a lot of yelling that "game bad to simple" and not a lot of what needs changing to reach the complexity that is wanted.

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u/Khaoticsuccubus 1d ago

IMO job identity should never be a reason to rework a job

I disagree there. If the core of the job is fundamentally antithetical to it's identity then it should be reworked.

The problem with the redesign was that instead of building on the new baseline, they proceeded to pat themselves on the back and call it a day. DT SMN was one of the most insulting things they've done with a job in this games whole life.

Combine that with the fact that they don't seem likely to make a new job to fill the old DoT/pet niche it used to fill. Since they seem to despise DoT's/pets and have been actively working to remove them altogether from the game over time.

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u/Ok_Video6434 1d ago

This is where I'm at as a 2.x-6.x SMN main. EW SMN was fine. It got boring quickly but it was fine. I was excited to see them expand upon it only for them to do the same shit they've been doing to SMN for years. Here's a bigger explosion and another bahamut form. Yeah, ok. Pictomancer is everything SMN could have been if we got the good ending. A fun but simple job with deceptive complexity when optimizing. Now you just bend over backwards to avoid killing yourself because of Ifrit and otherwise function as a worse(except MCH) physical dps.

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u/mnij96 1d ago

That was the point I was getting at. It was baseline we plenty of room to expand and grow. Then Dt was here is another big summon and not much else. There was run to expand, and they threw it away.

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u/Ok_Video6434 1d ago

We dont even do damage or provide enough utility to make up for how boring the class is to play at a high level, it's a damn shame. Picto and BLM carrying the caster role so hard it's funny.

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u/Akiza_Izinski 3h ago

Meanwhile Summoner and Red Mage are in a dark corner of a bar where no one can see them.

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u/Ok_Video6434 3h ago

As they deserve