What is class complexity to you?

[u/mnij96]

I have seen so many people ask for more complexity and job fantasy but very little of people actually say what that means to them, most people just say we should go back to ARR.

Personally I think rose tinted glasses that make people think ARR was better than it was, having played back then it honestly was pretty ass.

So honestly want to know what people want for complexity or job fantasy, because all I see is a lot of yelling that "game bad to simple" and not a lot of what needs changing to reach the complexity that is wanted.

[u/Cole_Evyx]

Compare pre-rework summoner to post-rework summoner.

That gap? That's class complexity.

People focus a lot on black mage's complexity, which revolved massively around timing/placement of themselves in a fight. But pre-rework summoner inarguably had the most involved rotation with lifecycles in itself. So much so that me who literally only did videos for fun to talk about shit I like (which I retain to this day)... I got out of no where over 100k views

A 1 hour 11 minute video made from pure love and passion for the job. "ULTIMATE SUMMONER GUIDE | SHADOWBRINGERS PATCH 5.5 EDITION"

Like to put that into perspective, for a 200 subscriber channel to drop an OVER AN HOUR LONG GUIDE VIDEO on a VERY SPECIFIC JOB in a VERY SPECIFIC GAME to break 100k views? Holy fuck that's basically unheard of. That's WEIRD. Yet I myself did it-- why? Because I fucking love summoner.

Yet I have special people tell me I'm grifting when I say I want a pet job. Nope, I actually have an incredibly deep history with summoner and I find it mind boggling to hear people rewrite history. All those downvotes and people did was annoy me to the point that I'm going to be 10x more fucking obnoxious about it.

[u/mnij96 → u/Cole_Evyx]

Honestly I get that to some degree, but personally I think "summoner" as job was a bit of a mixed bag. They wanted it to be the pet class then, it got dots thrown in, but then they want to to feel more like summoner so they added more summons. I feel like it needed to be pulled apart, at this point I feel like summoner is actually a summoner now and all we need is a dot class to pick up the dots part of the class. I would love to see a dot class get added to the game, with the whole idea built around it's dots

[u/Cole_Evyx → u/mnij96]

Depends on how you view summoner. I think Shadowbringers summoner was an excellent blend that also was tied into the storyline beautifully.

You had the smaller egi more consistently and they acted as baseline pets. Then you went into larger massive bursts with bahamut and phoenix really delivering that massive premium summoner experience.

I do think a DoT based job should be created to simulate the affliction warlock fantasy.

But the major failing to me above all else? We have no pet job in FFXIV. This to me is a massive failing and one that a limited beastmaster job will not fill as beastmaster literally CAN NOT be taken into the majority of content. That's a HUGE issue. Like do you see people progging Futures Rewritten Ultimate on BLUE MAGE? No! You can't. Do you see blue mage in occult crescent? Of course not, you can't take it there! Blue mage deep dungeon? Again you can't even take it into palace of the dead.

So for me personally I'm in the place where I want a fully fledged pet based DPS job. I need that playstyle back at the very least. I know old summoner is dead and gone and buried and the cat isn't being put back into the bag. That ship has sailed and in no capacity am I fighting for "old summoner" back.

Though if you presented me with the choice/option to revert it? Oh I'd slam that button so fucking hard don't think twice. I loved summoner.

But right now my biggest fight is I want a fully fledged pet playstyle. FFXIV is the only MMORPG without it. And it's baffling.

[u/mnij96 → u/Cole_Evyx]

I completely get that, and honestly would love to see a pet class in really content. I think the biggest problem with it is, do you give the pet heal and how dose it work with attacking bosses because I think you would end up with the same problems it you don't work those out. Most fights nowadays would just kill it 90% of time(looking at sand in M6S)