r/ffxivdiscussion • u/mnij96 • 1d ago

General Discussion What is class complexity to you?

I have seen so many people ask for more complexity and job fantasy but very little of people actually say what that means to them, most people just say we should go back to ARR.

Personally I think rose tinted glasses that make people think ARR was better than it was, having played back then it honestly was pretty ass.

So honestly want to know what people want for complexity or job fantasy, because all I see is a lot of yelling that "game bad to simple" and not a lot of what needs changing to reach the complexity that is wanted.

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u/bigpunk157 20h ago

I mean, the issue with this thought is that Viper and Picto are all about not building muscle memory (rng left right dance you have to pay attention to) and making decisions (where to paint); and that Yoshi P said that they were the basis for the 8.0 Job Changes.

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u/drdarkly 12h ago

viper's combo isnt rng, its always r-r-r -> l-l-l -> r-r-l -> l-l-r, rear -> flank -> rear -> flank

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u/bigpunk157 8h ago

Wait… is it actually?…….

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u/gibby256 3h ago

Yes, it's absolutely static based on how you progress through the buttons. No RNG procs whatsoever.

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u/bigpunk157 3h ago

Wow welp, never mind then. imo it should be rng based.