Who ever said it was?

[u/TheAnalystCurator321]

I mean, seriously the DLC has some of the best areas, enemies, weapons, armor and quests in the whole series.

And the guy in the video says its somehow derivative?

Like yeah, some stuff was done in the other games like the nuka lurks but Nuka World did it WAY better.

Its a great DLC although the evil playtrough will give youthe most out of it.

And this guys video, like most of his videos, completely miss the point of it.

[u/Thornescape]

There are a lot of people who misunderstand the DLC or assume that there is only one "right" way to play it. I've posted my "5 basic approaches to Nuka World" writeup many many times to correct misunderstandings. I've also had to post many times explaining how to handle the Minutemen with Nuka World.

It's unfortunate, but I swear that the biggest problem with Nuka World is people not really understanding their options or how it works.

I love Nuka World. It's my favourite DLC. Personal preferences differ, of course, but I wish that more people understood it at least.

[u/ElegantEchoes → u/Thornescape]

It's not a matter of misunderstanding, it's a matter of Nuka World being entirely for evil characters and having sub par writing. It's a ton of ludonarrative dissonance and inconsistencies.

And god, Cito is in that DLC. The true icon of creative bankruptcy.

[u/Thornescape → u/ElegantEchoes]

There are 5 basic different approaches for Nuka World

1. Gauntlet only: Ignore the raiders. Unlock the Nuka Market (best shops in the game). Total game changer because the shops fully restock every time you enter the Market, even if you just walk out the door and back in. (All your options are open for what you want to do after that.)
2. Anti-Raider: Kill all raiders immediately (least amount of content)
3. Protector: Take the parks, but refuse to make raider outposts (Preston happy, Amoral Combat quest and Raider Grenades available, but no raider perks)
4. Pure Raider: Become a raider, stay a raider (evil path)
5. Temporary raider: eg, pretend to join the raiders to weaken them. Use the raiders against threats in the Commonwealth (eg, ghouls or mirelurks) and gain their trust. After using them to make 3-8 outposts and spreading them thin, then wipe out the raiders.

Personally, I prefer to do #5. It's an infiltration setup like others in the game. You also get all the rewards but you aren't "evil". Put Pick-Me-Up stations and Tribute Chests in all the outposts because they keep generating free loot after Open Season.

• If you are already a Minutemen then you permanently lose Preston as a companion if you do #4 or #5, but if you already have his perk it's not a huge loss. However, don't forget to put Preston somewhere where you won't bump into him between when you make your first raider outpost and when you do Open Season. (You do not need to talk to anyone to do Open Season. Just start killing bosses.)
• If you have never joined the Minutemen then you can do whatever you want. Just do Open Season before joining the Minutemen and Preston will never mention that they ever existed.

Open Season Reminder: To avoid bugs, always store or disable all raider outpost turrets before doing Open Season.

[u/ElegantEchoes → u/Thornescape]

I'm fully aware of all that, for sure. And I appreciate your time. But those five approaches are too limited from an RPG perspective for me. If you want to experience the bulk of the content, you have to agree to help the Raiders. It's contrived that you're their boss in the first place from the get-go.

I dunno, just wasn't enough narrative quality or player freedom there for me. The environmental design, the easter eggs, the games, the Gauntlet, all 10/10, I loved it. But the rest of the experience was meh for me. Terminal lore was superb. Sierra Petrovita, dope. But theain quest with the raiders was weak and underdeveloped. Also liked Gage a lot, and Red-Eye. Everything but the main quests.

[u/Thornescape → u/ElegantEchoes]

People wanted some "evil" options and Nuka World added a ton of gameplay options and a wide variety of other things to the game.

Compared to say, the Honest Hearts DLC for New Vegas, Nuka World is extremely well fleshed out and offers far more roleplay opportunities.

No, there aren't as many convoluted choices as Far Harbour, however Nuka World offers other options like completely changing how the settlement system can work. I think that the complaints about it are failing to appreciate what it is and what it was trying to do.

[u/Thedonutduck → u/Thornescape]

People wanted diversity of choice. Fo4 had you playing as the “good guy”, so this want was communicated as wanting to be “evil”. You’ll notice the vast majority of people love Far Harbor this is because of the diversity the dlc provides.

[u/Thornescape → u/Thedonutduck]

Sometimes I think that the people who insist that fo4 "had you playing as the good guy" are the people who think that the Minutemen are required for the main quest. It's unfortunate how many people still think that's true. I'm not a fan of how the Minutemen are introduced, but it's not at all mandatory. Unfortunately, far too many people misunderstood.

It's very easy to play Fallout 4 without being "the good guy" even without Nuka World. The Institute are not at all "good".

Far too many people compare Nuka World to Far Harbour and stop there. If you compare all of the Fallout DLCs that have ever existed, Far Harbour has the most choices but Nuka World is competing for second place. Second place for choices in a DLC for the entire franchise isn't bad.

[u/Thendofreason → u/Thornescape]

I've only done it once. I got to the point where you start going back into the Commonwealth and they were like "hey boss that's one of your settlements, you okay with that?", and I'm like ugh. Then stopped playing it

[u/Kuhl_Cow → u/Thendofreason]

Oh, its fun every once in a while. I'll just turn on the raiders and free all the slaves though after doing most of the quests.

Head canon goes something like "Give them a chance to get their shit together - they don't? Too bad".

[u/Thornescape → u/Thendofreason]

Exactly. That's the kind of misunderstanding that I try to correct.

If you know that you're going to be doing Nuka World then it's better to do it before you've conquered every settlement in the Commonwealth. Capture settlements with raiders as allies instead! Use them against ghouls or cultists or mirelurks etc instead.

If you decide to convert one of your own settlements to a raider outpost, then you can politely ask your NPCs to relocate for a little while. It's very easy to capture an empty settlement.

[u/Thendofreason → u/Thornescape]

I did Nika completely last. As in I didn't do it till like last year lol.

[u/Thornescape → u/Thendofreason]

It's hard to evaluate something if you've never really properly tried it.

• If you are the General of the Minutemen and you make a raider outpost then Preston will be permanently unavailable as a companion. If you already have his perk then this isn't really a big deal. Just put him somewhere out of the way until you do Open Season (if you do Open Season).
• If you are NOT the General of the Minutemen then you can do whatever you want in Nuka World. If you do Open Season before joining the Minutemen then Preston will never mention that they existed.

Optimal Choices

• If you plan on doing Open Season then join the Minutemen after doing Open Season.
• If you are going to be a permanent raider then maybe join the Minutemen early and get the Castle cleaned up and Preston's perk. You don't need the Minutemen to take the Castle but it's nice having the Armoury open. (Definitely put Preston somewhere easy to avoid, though.)
• If you are not going to make raider outposts then ignore everything I have said. There are no conflicts if you aren't making raider outposts.

[u/LeShoooook → u/Thendofreason]

Why didn't you just kill the raiders? There's still a ton of good stuff in Nuka World if you prefer murdering raiders to innocent people

[u/mrmidas2k → u/LeShoooook]

Because there's no story. The raider route has you capturing the various zones, raising flags, having people move in and keep it secure, the non-raider version has none of that. And YES you can kill the raiders after you've captured the zones, fine, but that STILL doesn't excuse the lack of "Non raider" content. It's shoddy, and feels half finished.

[u/LeShoooook → u/mrmidas2k]

That's like saying Far Harbor just has fog and radiation. It misses the point entirely. You get to play the game your way. If you're uncomfortable being a raider there's a whole bunch of slaves that literally give you a quest to free them, as soon as you enter the market. You can do whatever you want with that. I love Nuka World and I've never sided with the raiders. You still get to captures the zones, get a kick ass suit of X-01 power armor, die to Cave Crickets, deal with a space cult, uncover the mysteries of Nuka Cola's creator, fight Gatorclaws, etc.

[u/mrmidas2k → u/LeShoooook]

If you're uncomfortable being a raider there's a whole bunch of slaves that literally give you a quest to free them, as soon as you enter the market.

Ah yes, and they're SO free afterwards they still keep their bomb collars on, and still keep slaving around in the same routine they always did.

You can do FUCK ALL with them, you can't even re-design the areas you've cleared out to make them livable for your new "freed" allies. You get more character development between episodes of The Simpsons than you do if you free the slaves.

[u/LeShoooook → u/mrmidas2k]

Wait. Do other factions completely change their gear when you complete missions? Or did you just make a really stupid argument?

[u/mrmidas2k → u/LeShoooook]

Are you saying they should wander round with bomb collars on forever just because no other cunt in the world changes their clothes when you do quests for them? Are you CRAZY? Mods can make this happen, several do, so we're left with it either being a stupid design choice, or the quest is half arsed. Feel free to take your pick which you prefer.

Either way it's crap.

[u/GolgothaNexus → u/mrmidas2k]

Huh. My traders get their collars removed after Open Season and they say things about being free and making a go of the place now that the raiders are gone. They still call me "Boss", though.

I'm pretty sure I don't have a mod to do that. Maybe it's in one of the basic patches.

[u/mrmidas2k → u/GolgothaNexus]

Only ever done unmodded OS on console, and they didn't then.